1 00:00:00,150 --> 00:00:02,550 The following content is provided under a Creative 2 00:00:02,550 --> 00:00:04,090 Commons license. 3 00:00:04,090 --> 00:00:06,390 Your support will help MIT OpenCourseWare 4 00:00:06,390 --> 00:00:10,780 continue to offer high quality educational resources for free. 5 00:00:10,780 --> 00:00:13,380 To make a donation or view additional materials 6 00:00:13,380 --> 00:00:17,340 from hundreds of MIT courses, visit MIT OpenCourseWare 7 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:18,510 at ocw.mit.edu. 8 00:00:22,190 --> 00:00:24,250 WILL MA: OK, guys, I guess I'll get started. 9 00:00:24,250 --> 00:00:26,190 So I guess one quick announcement 10 00:00:26,190 --> 00:00:31,259 is, so I guess everyone has taken a look at the prizes. 11 00:00:31,259 --> 00:00:32,759 If you can take a look at the prizes 12 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:34,980 and, especially, if you're near the top 13 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:36,900 and expect yourself to be getting some prizes. 14 00:00:36,900 --> 00:00:39,090 So we haven't announced the final ordering yet, 15 00:00:39,090 --> 00:00:40,980 because it'll also depend on the homework 16 00:00:40,980 --> 00:00:43,580 and then we'll decide how much. 17 00:00:43,580 --> 00:00:45,211 It'll mostly just be number of points, 18 00:00:45,211 --> 00:00:46,710 but we might give a bit of weighting 19 00:00:46,710 --> 00:00:50,400 to people who have like a high points per game or something. 20 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,040 But if you think you have a decent chance of getting 21 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,920 prizes, it'd be good if you looked them 22 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,680 over for when you research who this Mike McDonald guy is, how 23 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,030 much is his coaching worth-- 24 00:01:00,030 --> 00:01:02,940 you can do that beforehand so that people don't take forever 25 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:06,550 deciding which prize you want on Friday. 26 00:01:06,550 --> 00:01:08,966 OK, so I'm going to get started then. 27 00:01:08,966 --> 00:01:11,340 So this is going to be the last class I'm going to teach. 28 00:01:11,340 --> 00:01:15,030 So the final class, on Friday, is 29 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:18,480 going to be guess-lectured by Bill Chen. 30 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,420 So I want to go through an in-depth combinatorial hand 31 00:01:22,420 --> 00:01:24,390 analysis of a cash-game hand-- 32 00:01:24,390 --> 00:01:27,872 go very in depth on a hand where you have deep stacks, 33 00:01:27,872 --> 00:01:30,330 and there's a lot of action, and there's a lot of deduction 34 00:01:30,330 --> 00:01:31,830 that can take place. 35 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:36,000 And then I'll finish with some general poker stuff 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,420 and answer any questions you guys might have about the poker 37 00:01:39,420 --> 00:01:42,710 economy, how certain things work, the history of poker-- 38 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:44,830 I'm happy to answer whatever questions. 39 00:01:44,830 --> 00:01:48,270 OK, so first, I'll do something more technical and more 40 00:01:48,270 --> 00:01:49,500 practical to the game. 41 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,950 So an in-depth combinatorial hand analysis in cash games. 42 00:01:52,950 --> 00:01:54,810 So I'm going to look at the following hand. 43 00:01:54,810 --> 00:01:56,580 And the board is visible? 44 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:57,240 It's good? 45 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,760 OK. 46 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,760 So this is a cash game. 47 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,218 This is no longer a tournament now. 48 00:02:01,218 --> 00:02:03,690 And everybody has 100 big blinds. 49 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:07,630 So the blinds are $1 and $2, and everyone starts with $200. 50 00:02:07,630 --> 00:02:09,509 So it's 100 big blinds. 51 00:02:09,509 --> 00:02:12,000 The cutoff opens near six, and we have eight-seven 52 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,410 suited on the button. 53 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:15,690 And when it's this deep stacked-- 54 00:02:15,690 --> 00:02:17,130 so in a tournament, this might not 55 00:02:17,130 --> 00:02:19,860 be a good situation to call, because it just puts 56 00:02:19,860 --> 00:02:21,580 a lot of risk on you to bust. 57 00:02:21,580 --> 00:02:24,210 And also, you're not really that deep stacked. 58 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:26,280 But here, with 100 big blinds, we 59 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,400 can really realize a lot of our implied odds 60 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,047 given that we're both in position, 61 00:02:31,047 --> 00:02:32,755 and we have a hand that plays very well-- 62 00:02:32,755 --> 00:02:35,730 a suited connector-- that can make straights and flushes. 63 00:02:35,730 --> 00:02:40,100 So we decide to call, and the big blind also calls. 64 00:02:40,100 --> 00:02:44,660 OK, so the flop is 10, eight, six with a club, 65 00:02:44,660 --> 00:02:48,850 and the cutoff continuation bet's 14. 66 00:02:48,850 --> 00:02:50,940 So one thing I'll talk about first 67 00:02:50,940 --> 00:02:53,520 is, continuation bet sizing. 68 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,100 So I said a bit about this, but I 69 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:57,900 wanted to talk a bit more about bet sizing. 70 00:02:57,900 --> 00:02:59,942 And this is really just a review of what I've 71 00:02:59,942 --> 00:03:01,150 been talking about all class. 72 00:03:01,150 --> 00:03:04,770 It's the same principles when deciding your flop and turn bet 73 00:03:04,770 --> 00:03:05,460 sizing. 74 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:07,890 So you don't want to bet so small that your opponent has 75 00:03:07,890 --> 00:03:10,110 the odds to call with anything, but you 76 00:03:10,110 --> 00:03:12,720 don't want to bet so big that you are risking a lot of chips 77 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:13,890 when you're bluffing. 78 00:03:13,890 --> 00:03:17,420 And also, if your raise size commits your entire stack 79 00:03:17,420 --> 00:03:21,960 anyway, like if you're roughly, let's say, betting 40% or more 80 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,540 of your remaining chips, then you might as well go all-in 81 00:03:24,540 --> 00:03:26,940 if it's the flop or the turn because you probably 82 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:28,782 aren't going to fold. 83 00:03:28,782 --> 00:03:30,240 Given that your hand is good enough 84 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,040 to put in 40% of your chips, you probably 85 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,110 have enough equity that you're OK 86 00:03:34,110 --> 00:03:37,494 putting in 100% of your chips. 87 00:03:37,494 --> 00:03:39,660 Remember that raising your bet gives them the option 88 00:03:39,660 --> 00:03:41,460 to reraise, so that's always an incentive 89 00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:44,580 against raising a flop bet. 90 00:03:44,580 --> 00:03:46,400 The sizing should be bigger on dry boards 91 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,730 and smaller on dry boards. 92 00:03:47,730 --> 00:03:48,840 We talked about this. 93 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:49,420 And you want to bet? 94 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:51,336 Bet a bit bigger when they're out of position. 95 00:03:51,336 --> 00:03:53,790 So he's kind of out of position here against us, 96 00:03:53,790 --> 00:03:56,670 and he bets 14 into 19, which is a reasonably big bet, 97 00:03:56,670 --> 00:03:57,960 but I think it's fine. 98 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,390 So with our hand here, eight-seven of clubs, 99 00:04:00,390 --> 00:04:02,940 I think we definitely don't want to be folding. 100 00:04:02,940 --> 00:04:04,860 So let's talk about the differences 101 00:04:04,860 --> 00:04:07,410 between raising and calling. 102 00:04:07,410 --> 00:04:12,910 So we decide to call, and so what's the analysis? 103 00:04:12,910 --> 00:04:15,250 So we're definitely not folding. 104 00:04:15,250 --> 00:04:16,860 Raising, I think, is a bit suicidal 105 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:20,010 when we have a medium-strength hand that can play well 106 00:04:20,010 --> 00:04:21,810 in position on a lot of turns. 107 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:24,030 And we have a backdoor flush draw; 108 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:25,980 and our straight draw's very legitimate 109 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:27,960 when there is no flush draw out there. 110 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,080 So we decide to just call. 111 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,700 We have to be a bit worried about a big blind check-raise, 112 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:34,410 but I think it's OK. 113 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:36,780 It's not that big of a deal, especially when there's 114 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:37,930 no flush draw. 115 00:04:37,930 --> 00:04:41,100 So the big blind folds. 116 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:46,880 And on the turn is the queen of clubs, and he bets 30. 117 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,850 OK, so this is sort of a tougher decision now than the flop, 118 00:04:50,850 --> 00:04:51,840 I'd say. 119 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:53,850 So let's analyze this. 120 00:04:53,850 --> 00:04:58,000 So he bets 30 into 47, we've got 180 behind, 121 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,730 which is about four times the pot, 122 00:04:59,730 --> 00:05:02,509 and we've got a pretty bad hand right now, 123 00:05:02,509 --> 00:05:04,050 but we still have a pair, and we have 124 00:05:04,050 --> 00:05:06,570 lots of chances to hit a straight, or hit a flush, 125 00:05:06,570 --> 00:05:08,980 or hit three of a kind or hit two pairs. 126 00:05:08,980 --> 00:05:12,379 So tons of outs-- tons of river cards that help us. 127 00:05:12,379 --> 00:05:13,920 And so what are the benefits of each? 128 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,770 OK, so I think it's fairly clear we're 129 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:19,330 not going to fold here with this much equity. 130 00:05:19,330 --> 00:05:22,534 So what are the benefits of calling? 131 00:05:22,534 --> 00:05:24,450 Well, we get to see the river for sure, right? 132 00:05:24,450 --> 00:05:27,300 If the river's a club, then we don't 133 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:29,557 want to fold in situations and not 134 00:05:29,557 --> 00:05:31,890 see the river when it could be a club, which is the best 135 00:05:31,890 --> 00:05:34,364 card for us, essentially. 136 00:05:34,364 --> 00:05:36,030 Yeah, so we really want to see the river 137 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:39,960 because if we raise, then maybe they could reraise all-in, 138 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,910 and then we would have to fold. 139 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:44,210 So that's one clear benefit. 140 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:46,730 And another sort of benefit is, we already 141 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:48,120 have a pair to start with. 142 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,637 So we don't really need to bluff to win a hand. 143 00:05:50,637 --> 00:05:52,970 So this is something I've been talking about a lot, too. 144 00:05:55,710 --> 00:05:58,950 If you don't need to raise to win the hand because you 145 00:05:58,950 --> 00:06:01,020 already have a pair, then there's 146 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:02,579 a lot more incentive to call. 147 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:04,120 So what are some benefits of raising? 148 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,130 Well, if you get him to fold something like pocket jacks-- 149 00:06:07,130 --> 00:06:09,060 if we think he might have like pocket jacks-- 150 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:12,570 it can definitely get him to fold some better hands. 151 00:06:12,570 --> 00:06:15,510 And we can bet the river and win a bigger pot when we hit. 152 00:06:15,510 --> 00:06:18,630 And we can also maybe make some bigger bluffs when we miss. 153 00:06:18,630 --> 00:06:22,140 So we'll go through a more detailed analysis in a bit, 154 00:06:22,140 --> 00:06:25,560 but I like calling in this situation. 155 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,960 I think with a draw that has no showdown 156 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,500 value, like say I had nine-five of clubs instead of eight-seven 157 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:33,350 of clubs, which has a pair, I think 158 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:35,970 I would raise for two reasons. 159 00:06:35,970 --> 00:06:40,110 One is, I would need to bluff the river anyway 160 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:41,200 if I miss the river. 161 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,710 So if I raise now, I just give myself a chance 162 00:06:43,710 --> 00:06:45,300 to win the pot right now. 163 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:49,680 And another benefit of raising is that I can-- 164 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,320 I'm not that unhappy if he goes all-in 165 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:58,110 because my jaw is less strong than eight-seven of clubs is. 166 00:06:58,110 --> 00:07:00,604 OK, and then maybe with a hand like ace-jack of clubs, 167 00:07:00,604 --> 00:07:02,520 I would raise just because we can maybe get it 168 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,568 in against weaker flush draws. 169 00:07:05,568 --> 00:07:08,520 OK, so yeah, this is a general principle 170 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,550 that I haven't really talked about for playing on flops 171 00:07:11,550 --> 00:07:14,280 and turns. 172 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,126 And this sort of goes along with most 173 00:07:16,126 --> 00:07:18,000 of the stuff we've talked about in this class 174 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,180 but, in general, when you have like the stone-cold nuts 175 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:24,364 and when you have weaker draws, you 176 00:07:24,364 --> 00:07:27,030 want to be the one-- you want to be betting and raising in a way 177 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:30,286 such that your opponent gets the last bet in. 178 00:07:30,286 --> 00:07:33,750 So one person is always going to go all-in first, right? 179 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:36,420 If you're raising each other or betting and raising, 180 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:38,400 one person is going to go on first, 181 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,930 and the other person, basically, has 182 00:07:39,930 --> 00:07:43,200 to decide whether to call or fold and play for your stack. 183 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,690 So if you have the stone-cold nuts, 184 00:07:45,690 --> 00:07:49,801 then you want to be the person having your opponent go all-in 185 00:07:49,801 --> 00:07:50,300 first. 186 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:51,900 Because obviously, you have a very easy decision. 187 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:53,570 You just call and you're going to win. 188 00:07:53,570 --> 00:07:56,250 On the other hand, if you have like a weaker draw, 189 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:57,961 which is, essentially, your bluff-- 190 00:07:57,961 --> 00:07:59,460 because we don't want to be bluffing 191 00:07:59,460 --> 00:08:00,510 with absolutely nothing. 192 00:08:00,510 --> 00:08:01,926 We want to be bluffing, basically, 193 00:08:01,926 --> 00:08:03,480 with our weaker draws. 194 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,740 That's also an easy decision because if, let's say, 195 00:08:05,740 --> 00:08:07,410 we have a gutshot straight draw. 196 00:08:07,410 --> 00:08:09,420 So we have four outs only. 197 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:11,664 We're not that sad if our opponent goes all-in 198 00:08:11,664 --> 00:08:13,080 on the flop or all-in on the turn. 199 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,070 We just fold. 200 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:17,640 We have an easy decision; whereas if we 201 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,615 have a more vulnerable good hand-- like you 202 00:08:19,615 --> 00:08:22,780 have top pair with a medium kicker, then 203 00:08:22,780 --> 00:08:23,890 it's a tough decision. 204 00:08:27,180 --> 00:08:29,430 If our opponent goes all-in, we have a tough decision. 205 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:30,590 We're not sure what to do. 206 00:08:30,590 --> 00:08:32,419 And same if we have a stronger draw-- like 207 00:08:32,419 --> 00:08:35,010 say we have a flush draw, and we have nine outs, 208 00:08:35,010 --> 00:08:36,990 and then our opponent goes all-in on the flop, 209 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:40,500 and we have like 1.61 odds to call or something. 210 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,270 It's a difficult decision. 211 00:08:42,270 --> 00:08:45,052 And so in these hands, you definitely 212 00:08:45,052 --> 00:08:46,510 want to-- you generally want to bet 213 00:08:46,510 --> 00:08:49,410 and raise in a way that allows you to get the last bet in. 214 00:08:49,410 --> 00:08:52,070 Because with a stronger draw, your opponent 215 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:53,280 gets to make a decision. 216 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,187 But even if they have the nuts, you still have nine outs. 217 00:08:56,187 --> 00:08:57,770 And with a more vulnerable good hand-- 218 00:08:57,770 --> 00:08:59,353 I mean, if your opponent has the nuts, 219 00:08:59,353 --> 00:09:01,230 I guess you're kind of dead, but you're 220 00:09:01,230 --> 00:09:03,270 sort of protecting the times you go all-in 221 00:09:03,270 --> 00:09:04,740 with your stronger draws. 222 00:09:04,740 --> 00:09:07,710 So following that principle, I decide to just call here 223 00:09:07,710 --> 00:09:11,760 because if I raise, then I have to make a decision when he goes 224 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,750 all-in-- 225 00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:15,930 whether to call with my medium-strength hand and pretty 226 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:17,491 good draw. 227 00:09:17,491 --> 00:09:21,130 OK, so we call, and the river's an ace of spades. 228 00:09:21,130 --> 00:09:26,500 So we completely miss, and our opponent checks to us. 229 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:28,640 So we decide to bluff the river for 70. 230 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,380 And this is sort of the main decision I want to analyze, 231 00:09:31,380 --> 00:09:34,700 and it's going to be quite a complicated decision. 232 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:36,970 So let's do some quick analysis. 233 00:09:36,970 --> 00:09:39,400 So yes, we do have some chances of winning 234 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,449 with our pair of eights. 235 00:09:40,449 --> 00:09:42,490 So maybe you can make a case that there's no need 236 00:09:42,490 --> 00:09:44,440 to bluff because we do have a pair, 237 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,600 but there's a lot of reasons to bluff. 238 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,870 So one is, there's a lot of higher cards on the board now. 239 00:09:49,870 --> 00:09:52,710 The pair of eights-- they looked pretty good on the flop, 240 00:09:52,710 --> 00:09:56,230 but now it's a lot worse after a queen turn and an ace river. 241 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:58,750 So we can get him to fold a queen. 242 00:09:58,750 --> 00:10:01,090 He can have a queen, and he could very willingly 243 00:10:01,090 --> 00:10:03,580 be able to fold it. 244 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:05,660 Also, the pot is big. 245 00:10:05,660 --> 00:10:07,420 They bet the flop and the turn, and we 246 00:10:07,420 --> 00:10:08,720 called the flop and the turn. 247 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,250 So both ranges are just very strong because so much money 248 00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:13,340 has already gone in. 249 00:10:13,340 --> 00:10:16,690 So a pair of eights is not so good. 250 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:18,970 If you knew that he had two random cards, sure, 251 00:10:18,970 --> 00:10:21,340 a pair of eights will win a decent percent of the time. 252 00:10:21,340 --> 00:10:23,298 But when you know you're up against a hand that 253 00:10:23,298 --> 00:10:26,020 was willing to bet the flop and bet the turn, 254 00:10:26,020 --> 00:10:28,780 it's less likely the pair of eights is good. 255 00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:31,390 And then, the ace is always a scary card. 256 00:10:31,390 --> 00:10:33,430 And another advantage of bluffing is-- 257 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:35,390 this is why position is so great-- 258 00:10:35,390 --> 00:10:37,930 especially when it's deep stacked in a cash game. 259 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:41,610 We're in position, and we know that he checked the river. 260 00:10:41,610 --> 00:10:43,480 So maybe he's trapping with like king-jack, 261 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,537 but it's more likely than not that it's a sign of weakness 262 00:10:46,537 --> 00:10:47,620 that he checked the river. 263 00:10:47,620 --> 00:10:52,760 So we could try to bluff him off his hand. 264 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,779 OK, so what about river bet sizing? 265 00:10:54,779 --> 00:10:56,570 So okay, so one thing is whether the bluff. 266 00:10:56,570 --> 00:10:58,640 Two, is if you bluff, how much do you bet? 267 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,277 So I decided to bet 70 into 107. 268 00:11:02,277 --> 00:11:04,360 And so what are the things to consider when you're 269 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,680 deciding your river bet sizing? 270 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:09,410 So one is, there's no more cards to come on the river. 271 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:11,984 So in some sense, there's less of a worry 272 00:11:11,984 --> 00:11:13,900 to betting really, really small, because there 273 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:17,000 is no such thing as letting your opponent see a draw. 274 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,040 But it still has a disadvantage. 275 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,860 Like if your opponent checks to you and you bet small, 276 00:11:21,860 --> 00:11:24,144 it still does give them the option to check-raise. 277 00:11:24,144 --> 00:11:26,060 So that is one thing you worry about if you're 278 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:27,800 trying to bet really small. 279 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,690 And another thing is, you should bet big 280 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:31,520 if your hand is polarized. 281 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,730 By polarized I mean, you either have the stone-cold nuts 282 00:11:34,730 --> 00:11:35,630 or you have a bluff. 283 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,470 Basically, if you bet small and your range is polarized, 284 00:11:41,470 --> 00:11:44,420 your opponent can just call with a very wide range of hands 285 00:11:44,420 --> 00:11:45,980 because their odds are too good. 286 00:11:45,980 --> 00:11:49,490 By betting big, you give your opponent worst odds to call, 287 00:11:49,490 --> 00:11:54,230 and since you have a stone-cold bluff some percent of the time, 288 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:56,670 you don't want your opponent to have the odds to call 289 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:59,670 with like third pair. 290 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:02,640 OK so, it doesn't matter what they 291 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,710 did, because our decision is betting 70. 292 00:12:04,710 --> 00:12:06,530 OK, so now what I sort of want to do 293 00:12:06,530 --> 00:12:08,420 is, a lot happened this hand, right? 294 00:12:08,420 --> 00:12:12,180 We know they raised the preflop, bet flop, bet turn, 295 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:13,310 checked river. 296 00:12:13,310 --> 00:12:16,620 So in some sense, we have a ton of information. 297 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:19,280 So in the tournaments that you play, maybe a hand like this 298 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,210 doesn't show up that often because often it's 299 00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:24,980 just an all-in preflop, and you can't really deduce that much 300 00:12:24,980 --> 00:12:26,210 about your opponent's hand. 301 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:29,640 It's just like, he has the top 30% of hands or something. 302 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,240 But here, we can actually do a lot of deduction. 303 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,290 So let's replay the hand from our opponent's perspective 304 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:39,780 and sort of exploitatively put them on a range. 305 00:12:39,780 --> 00:12:42,000 So let's go put ourselves in our opponent's shoes 306 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,580 and consider all the actions they did. 307 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:47,220 So I'm going to use exploitative analysis here. 308 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:49,190 So there are some flaws with this. 309 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:51,740 We are sort of arrogantly assuming 310 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:53,570 we're one step ahead of our opponent-- 311 00:12:53,570 --> 00:12:56,030 we can build a mathematical model for our opponent. 312 00:12:56,030 --> 00:12:58,100 But still, this is a useful exercise even 313 00:12:58,100 --> 00:12:59,900 though, yes, there are flaws. 314 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:01,580 Maybe he's one step ahead of us. 315 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:03,680 Maybe there's flaws in our probabilistic model. 316 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:06,380 But let's just assume for the sake of the exercise 317 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:08,120 that we can do this pretty well. 318 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,460 OK, so first of all, preflop, what's our opponent's range? 319 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:16,340 Let's just say, roughly, he's opening from the cutoff. 320 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,680 Let's say he's opening about 30% of hands. 321 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:21,440 I think that's about reasonable for like an average player, 322 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,990 and I think it's consistent with the guidelines 323 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:25,270 I gave in the first lecture. 324 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:29,840 So this includes any pair, any suited ace, any two Broadway 325 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,010 cards, which are cards 10 and higher. 326 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:35,390 It includes suited hands as bad as five-three suited. 327 00:13:35,390 --> 00:13:37,580 This is maybe one difference between cash games 328 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:40,370 and tournaments, where five-three suited 329 00:13:40,370 --> 00:13:43,460 is a pretty bad hand in tournaments when it's so short; 330 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:45,860 but when it's 100 big blinds deep, 331 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:47,930 a hand like five-three suited is a lot better 332 00:13:47,930 --> 00:13:50,980 than a hand like 10-8 offsuit. 333 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:52,730 So yeah, so it includes five-three suited, 334 00:13:52,730 --> 00:13:55,940 but not like nine-eight off or like king-seven off, 335 00:13:55,940 --> 00:13:59,840 which are just terrible hands when it's 100 big blinds deep. 336 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,360 So OK, so what's our opponent's range here? 337 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,410 So they decided to continuation the bet. 338 00:14:05,410 --> 00:14:09,200 They continuation bet into the flop against two players 339 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,020 after the big blind check. 340 00:14:12,020 --> 00:14:14,510 So what can we put him on? 341 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:16,850 OK, so this is a complicated analysis, 342 00:14:16,850 --> 00:14:19,070 and you can't really do this during the game itself, 343 00:14:19,070 --> 00:14:21,620 but it's very useful to do it after the hand. 344 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:23,570 So let's review the factors of why 345 00:14:23,570 --> 00:14:26,060 a player would continuation bet and then consider 346 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:29,390 why he continuation bets. 347 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:32,200 OK, so this is also sort of a review 348 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,440 class since the last class. 349 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,777 So what are the incentives for continuation betting? 350 00:14:35,777 --> 00:14:37,610 Well, your hand is good enough that it beats 351 00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:38,776 most of their calling hands. 352 00:14:38,776 --> 00:14:42,839 So you're betting for value or your showdown value is poor, 353 00:14:42,839 --> 00:14:43,880 but you have some equity. 354 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,780 You have some backdoor equity. 355 00:14:44,780 --> 00:14:46,490 You have some overcards or draws, 356 00:14:46,490 --> 00:14:48,860 and you're, essentially, bluffing. 357 00:14:48,860 --> 00:14:51,560 Another incentive is, you're out of position like he is, 358 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,660 and it's not like he can see a free turn 359 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:57,380 card by checking because I can still bet if he checks. 360 00:14:57,380 --> 00:15:01,490 So you want to bet-- few opponents, you want to bet. 361 00:15:01,490 --> 00:15:03,990 Incentives against continuation betting-- 362 00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:06,710 one is, your hand is so dominant that you 363 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:09,210 need to give him a turn card to hope that he improves. 364 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:10,310 So this is like the trap-- 365 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:12,137 the slow play. 366 00:15:12,137 --> 00:15:14,470 You have decent showdown value, but not amazing showdown 367 00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:17,096 value-- so like, middle pair. 368 00:15:17,096 --> 00:15:18,470 You don't want a continuation bet 369 00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:21,590 if you have like zero equity on a reasonably dry board 370 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:24,050 like this one. 371 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:26,236 And there's too many people for you to fold out 372 00:15:26,236 --> 00:15:28,610 or-- like you're in position, and you can see a free turn 373 00:15:28,610 --> 00:15:29,380 by checking. 374 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:31,400 So there's a lot of things but, still, 375 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,330 let's look at the situation again keeping 376 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:34,580 some of those factors in mind. 377 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:38,544 He continuation bet into 10, eight, six rainbow, which 378 00:15:38,544 --> 00:15:39,710 means three different suits. 379 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:49,857 OK, so actually, before I show this slide, 380 00:15:49,857 --> 00:15:51,440 I'm going to use the annotate feature, 381 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,010 and we'll try to write on here what hands we 382 00:15:56,010 --> 00:15:56,820 think he can have. 383 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:58,440 So this is going to take a while, 384 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,140 but I plan on spending the next 20, 25 385 00:16:01,140 --> 00:16:02,470 minutes discussing this hand. 386 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:05,360 OK, so does someone want to say a hand that you 387 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,667 think is in this range at this point in the hand? 388 00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:10,000 Pretend we don't know what he's going to do on the turn. 389 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,030 Yeah, just at this point in the hand, 390 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:15,750 can someone tell me a hand you think is in his range? 391 00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:16,366 Yeah? 392 00:16:16,366 --> 00:16:17,674 AUDIENCE: Ace-jack. 393 00:16:17,674 --> 00:16:19,350 WILL MA: OK, yeah, ace/jack. 394 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:21,442 OK, I think that's reasonable. 395 00:16:21,442 --> 00:16:22,900 It's actually, I think, a bit weak. 396 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:27,870 But let's say like ace/jack suited with a backdoor flush 397 00:16:27,870 --> 00:16:28,440 draw. 398 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,981 OK, I'll write down ace-jack for now. 399 00:16:29,981 --> 00:16:31,984 OK, so someone go and tell me another hand. 400 00:16:31,984 --> 00:16:32,484 Yeah? 401 00:16:32,484 --> 00:16:33,609 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] pair. 402 00:16:33,609 --> 00:16:35,540 Maybe 9-10, 10-jack suited? 403 00:16:35,540 --> 00:16:36,640 Ace-10? 404 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,750 WILL MA: OK, ace-10-- 405 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:43,470 sure, jack-10-- 10-9-- 406 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:45,000 OK. 407 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,697 Someone want to tell me another type of hand maybe? 408 00:16:48,697 --> 00:16:49,196 Yeah? 409 00:16:49,196 --> 00:16:50,680 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] pocket jacks? 410 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:50,990 WILL MA: OK, good. 411 00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:51,795 Pocket jacks, yeah. 412 00:16:51,795 --> 00:16:53,520 So that's a clear value hand. 413 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,480 Someone want to tell me another type of hand? 414 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,130 AUDIENCE: What about queen-jack? 415 00:17:01,130 --> 00:17:01,590 WILL MA: Queen-jack. 416 00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:02,350 OK, that's a good idea. 417 00:17:02,350 --> 00:17:03,350 Yeah, that's a good one. 418 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:06,420 So Queen-jack I think is one of the best draws-- 419 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:10,225 not the best draw-- what is the best draw, would you say? 420 00:17:10,225 --> 00:17:12,909 AUDIENCE: Queen-jack of clubs? 421 00:17:12,909 --> 00:17:15,450 WILL MA: Queen-jack of clubs, yeah, but queen of clubs only-- 422 00:17:15,450 --> 00:17:17,207 it's not the best straight draw, right? 423 00:17:17,207 --> 00:17:17,790 Yeah, what's-- 424 00:17:17,790 --> 00:17:19,000 AUDIENCE: Jack-nine. 425 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,041 WILL MA: Yeah, jack-nine. 426 00:17:20,041 --> 00:17:22,589 Jack-nine or queen-nine. 427 00:17:22,589 --> 00:17:24,165 I wrote some hands here. 428 00:17:24,165 --> 00:17:28,440 OK, jack-nine, or queen-nine, or like five-seven. 429 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,600 OK. 430 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,230 AUDIENCE: One pair of sixes. 431 00:17:31,230 --> 00:17:31,940 Is it possible? 432 00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:32,920 WILL MA: Pocket sixes? 433 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:33,150 AUDIENCE: Yeah. 434 00:17:33,150 --> 00:17:33,990 WILL MA: Yeah, yeah, OK, that's good. 435 00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:35,220 So I'll write that down. 436 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,257 So pocket sixes, good. 437 00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:39,090 OK, here's a question, what do you guys want 438 00:17:39,090 --> 00:17:45,840 to put him on if he has a really, really good hand? 439 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,280 So this is open ended. 440 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,780 I didn't come with a [INAUDIBLE].. 441 00:17:48,780 --> 00:17:52,080 You guys want to assume that he checks with pocket 10s 442 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,540 and like nine-seven-- basically the absolute best 443 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:56,520 hands on this board to trap us? 444 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,277 Or do you want to assume that he bets? 445 00:18:01,801 --> 00:18:02,300 Yeah? 446 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:03,924 AUDIENCE: I think if he has nine-seven, 447 00:18:03,924 --> 00:18:06,260 he'd probably bet because someone might get a better 448 00:18:06,260 --> 00:18:07,386 straight if he doesn't bet. 449 00:18:07,386 --> 00:18:09,426 WILL MA: OK, yeah that's a reasonable assumption. 450 00:18:09,426 --> 00:18:12,140 I think it can go either way with nine-seven and like pocket 451 00:18:12,140 --> 00:18:13,040 10s-- 452 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,450 depending on our opponent. 453 00:18:14,450 --> 00:18:16,125 Pocket sixes, I think, is a clear bet, 454 00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:17,270 whereas pocket 10s is not. 455 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:19,790 Because pocket 10s-- you're taking away so many 456 00:18:19,790 --> 00:18:22,050 of the top hands from your opponents, 457 00:18:22,050 --> 00:18:25,950 whereas pocket sixes just gets so much value when you bet. 458 00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:29,180 OK, so roughly speaking, I sort of categorized 459 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:31,950 all the hands he could have into five categories. 460 00:18:31,950 --> 00:18:33,695 So the first-- the top is hands that 461 00:18:33,695 --> 00:18:36,500 are so good that he checks to trap or check-raise. 462 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:38,090 The second category is like the hands 463 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:40,420 that are good but not that good-- he value bets. 464 00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:42,010 Then it's like medium-strength hands 465 00:18:42,010 --> 00:18:45,389 that he checks to check-call. 466 00:18:45,389 --> 00:18:47,430 So this doesn't agree with exactly what we wrote, 467 00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:48,013 but that's OK. 468 00:18:48,013 --> 00:18:49,910 But this is just roughly-- 469 00:18:49,910 --> 00:18:53,031 and then the next category is hands that he bluffs. 470 00:18:53,031 --> 00:18:55,530 And then the last category is hands that he just check-folds 471 00:18:55,530 --> 00:18:56,738 because they have no equity-- 472 00:18:56,738 --> 00:18:59,240 like pocket threes, where he would just give up the hand. 473 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,631 So we basically crossed off these three categories 474 00:19:02,631 --> 00:19:04,130 because with these three categories, 475 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:07,940 he would check, whereas the top one, he's checking to trap; 476 00:19:07,940 --> 00:19:10,070 the second one, he's checking for a showdown; 477 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:11,927 and the last one, he's checking to give up. 478 00:19:11,927 --> 00:19:13,760 And then the two types of hands he's betting 479 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,760 are, essentially, value bets and like draws or bluffs. 480 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,420 OK, so now let's consider the situation on the turn. 481 00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:29,390 OK, so once again, let's consider his incentives first 482 00:19:29,390 --> 00:19:31,521 for betting again on the turn. 483 00:19:31,521 --> 00:19:33,020 Sorry if this is a bit hard to read. 484 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:41,320 Maybe I should do it on notepad so that the annotate 485 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,000 isn't annoying. 486 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,670 Sorry, just give me a sec. 487 00:19:56,918 --> 00:20:00,030 OK, so what are the incentives for betting again on the turn? 488 00:20:00,030 --> 00:20:02,280 So one is, you bet a good hand for value on the flop, 489 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,680 and your hand is still good on the turn. 490 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,320 So you're getting for more value. 491 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,730 Two is, you bluffed a speculative hand on the flop 492 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:10,380 and now you either hit the turn-- 493 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:13,260 like the queen helped you-- so like if you had jack-nine 494 00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:16,080 or you improved your draw-- 495 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,990 or like an overcard to the board came, which was the case, 496 00:20:18,990 --> 00:20:22,350 and maybe you thought bluffing the turn could be good. 497 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:25,020 So OK, so he bet the turn. 498 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:27,210 OK, so let's maybe put the hands we think 499 00:20:27,210 --> 00:20:29,670 he could have into PokerStove. 500 00:20:29,670 --> 00:20:32,280 So yeah, I think that's the easiest way to do it. 501 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,480 OK, so let's do this. 502 00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:38,570 OK, so roughly speaking-- 503 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:39,580 can everyone see this? 504 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:42,070 This is easy enough to see, right? 505 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:44,080 OK, so let's do this. 506 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,840 So bear with me. 507 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,700 This is a meticulous exercise. 508 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:51,780 OK, so let's say preflop, 30%-- 509 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:53,480 OK, this is about reasonable. 510 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,720 Actually, let me give him a few more pairs. 511 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,910 I'll take away ace-six off. 512 00:20:57,910 --> 00:21:01,560 Let's say he goes suited connectors down 513 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,935 to five-four suited, suited one gappers down 514 00:21:04,935 --> 00:21:08,820 to five-three suited-- suited two gappers. 515 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:11,700 So suited two gappers means suited cards 516 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:14,650 that are three apart, essentially. 517 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:17,760 Yeah, you have like eight-five suited, something like this. 518 00:21:20,437 --> 00:21:22,020 Something like this is fine, probably, 519 00:21:22,020 --> 00:21:23,760 but let's say he plays 10-6 suited. 520 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,390 OK, something like this-- 521 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:28,476 maybe take away some of the worst offsuit hands. 522 00:21:28,476 --> 00:21:29,600 OK, so something like this. 523 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,180 OK, good. 524 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:31,530 So on the flop, what happened? 525 00:21:31,530 --> 00:21:34,770 On the flop-- we said, OK, so let's eliminate hands. 526 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:35,835 What can we eliminate? 527 00:21:35,835 --> 00:21:38,795 So this is his entire range of possibilities, preflop. 528 00:21:38,795 --> 00:21:40,950 OK, so on the flop, we're going to eliminate 529 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:45,150 pocket twos, threes, fours, and fives because he just gives up. 530 00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:46,620 Pocket sevens and nines we're going 531 00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:49,920 to eliminate because we're going to assume he checks. 532 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,375 Five-three is bad enough we can assume he gives up. 533 00:21:55,375 --> 00:22:03,060 Let me just display the flop so that we can see. 534 00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:05,190 OK, so what else? 535 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:07,229 OK, so let's go through everything. 536 00:22:07,229 --> 00:22:08,520 I'll deal with this a bit fast. 537 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:12,977 OK, let's say all the middle pairs-- 538 00:22:12,977 --> 00:22:13,810 he's going to check. 539 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:16,810 So I'm going to remove most of the hands with an eight 540 00:22:16,810 --> 00:22:17,310 in them-- 541 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,410 yeah, so ace-eight, king-eight, queen-eight, jack, OK, 542 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:23,493 so 10-8 he's going to bet. 543 00:22:23,493 --> 00:22:25,790 AUDIENCE: You do that just because you have an eight? 544 00:22:25,790 --> 00:22:26,730 AUDIENCE: Pretty much. 545 00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:29,850 WILL MA: Yeah, so we will take that into account. 546 00:22:29,850 --> 00:22:31,942 But he could still have an eight, right? 547 00:22:31,942 --> 00:22:32,900 But yeah, you're right. 548 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:35,210 It is less likely, and we will take it into account 549 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:37,100 at the very end. 550 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:38,540 So ace-five, let's assume-- 551 00:22:38,540 --> 00:22:40,970 let's assume a lot of these offsuit aces, 552 00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:45,680 he gives up because even with overcards but with no backdoor 553 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:51,300 flush draw on a dry board, I think is kind of scary. 554 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:53,845 OK, so let's say something like this on the flop-- 555 00:22:53,845 --> 00:22:55,670 eight-five, let's eliminate that. 556 00:22:55,670 --> 00:22:57,636 Eight-seven, I think he'll check. 557 00:22:57,636 --> 00:22:59,510 So nine-seven, we're going to assume he bets. 558 00:22:59,510 --> 00:23:01,195 Let's assume he checks pocket 10s. 559 00:23:01,195 --> 00:23:02,570 Let's assumes he also checks some 560 00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:10,090 of the weaker 10s-- like jack-10, 561 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:12,510 let's suppose he checks. 562 00:23:12,510 --> 00:23:14,375 Maybe 10-9, he checks as well. 563 00:23:14,375 --> 00:23:15,105 10-7, he checks. 564 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,977 OK, nine-eight he checks. 565 00:23:21,977 --> 00:23:23,060 OK, am I missing anything? 566 00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:25,330 Did someone see something you disagree with? 567 00:23:25,330 --> 00:23:26,640 King-queen off, king-jack off-- 568 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,320 I think those are too weak, too-- 569 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,890 that end of this board-- 570 00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:34,675 queen-nine, king-nine suited, ace-nine down here. 571 00:23:34,675 --> 00:23:37,570 OK, I think this is roughly-- 572 00:23:37,570 --> 00:23:39,475 it'll get easier on the turn, basically. 573 00:23:39,475 --> 00:23:43,452 OK, So let's say this is what he's going to have on the flop. 574 00:23:43,452 --> 00:23:44,910 Actually, some of these weaker aces 575 00:23:44,910 --> 00:23:46,160 probably should be eliminated. 576 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,350 OK, let's eliminate everything down to ace-five and below. 577 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:50,920 Ace-seven and ace-nine we'll keep in 578 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,211 because he has a straight draw. 579 00:23:55,580 --> 00:23:58,440 OK, so on the turn, he bets again. 580 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,172 So did someone want to suggest a hand that maybe we 581 00:24:01,172 --> 00:24:02,880 should eliminate because he bet the turn? 582 00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:06,250 Yeah? 583 00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:07,750 AUDIENCE: Only weak 10s, I guess? 584 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:08,310 WILL MA: OK, good. 585 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:09,976 Yeah, I think that's a very good answer. 586 00:24:09,976 --> 00:24:12,940 So let's get rid of ace-10 and king-10 because those 587 00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:15,460 are no longer good hands-- or they're no longer, I think, 588 00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:18,120 hands that you want to really continue betting for value, 589 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:18,630 right? 590 00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:20,950 Queen-10 is good because you hit two pair. 591 00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:25,210 OK, is there another hand that's of a similar category? 592 00:24:25,210 --> 00:24:28,420 So I guess pocket jacks is of a similar category, right? 593 00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:32,350 It's not as good as it once was. 594 00:24:32,350 --> 00:24:34,507 OK, so what are some other hands maybe you 595 00:24:34,507 --> 00:24:35,590 don't want to bluff with-- 596 00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:37,048 you don't want to bet with anymore? 597 00:24:44,802 --> 00:24:46,260 Are there any hands you think maybe 598 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:48,220 he would just give up because-- 599 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,476 AUDIENCE: The six-five. 600 00:24:50,476 --> 00:24:52,265 WILL MA: Yeah, I think that's reasonable. 601 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,300 Most of these, we can assume he's 602 00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:01,770 going to give up on the queen, like five-four, especially. 603 00:25:01,770 --> 00:25:03,819 So on the flop, he didn't even have a great hand. 604 00:25:03,819 --> 00:25:05,110 It was just drawing to a seven. 605 00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:07,050 But now, it's sort of worse. 606 00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:08,730 So yeah, let's get rid of five-four. 607 00:25:11,384 --> 00:25:13,050 Do you think they would continue betting 608 00:25:13,050 --> 00:25:17,300 like nine-six or seven-six? 609 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:19,800 Yeah, even seven-five is a pretty bad-- 610 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,970 is a lot worse after the queen because seven-five 611 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:25,150 was like drawing to a nine. 612 00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:27,780 But now, when the queen comes, the nine 613 00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:30,960 is not a good card because you still lose to a jack. 614 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,110 So maybe we can get rid of that one. 615 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:35,370 Do you think they definitely continue 616 00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:37,660 betting with ace-king, ace-queen, ace-jack in all 617 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:38,160 those? 618 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,824 Yeah? 619 00:25:43,824 --> 00:25:45,564 AUDIENCE: Maybe if they had ace-queen, 620 00:25:45,564 --> 00:25:48,554 they would keep it [INAUDIBLE] pretend to [INAUDIBLE].. 621 00:25:48,554 --> 00:25:50,470 WILL MA: Yeah, so ace-queen, I think, is good. 622 00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:52,735 All right, so I think this is [INAUDIBLE] good. 623 00:25:52,735 --> 00:25:54,145 Ace-nine-- some of these hands, I 624 00:25:54,145 --> 00:25:56,020 think they would probably stop bluffing with. 625 00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:59,360 Like I think jack-seven suited is pretty-- 626 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,410 maybe some of the sixes also, I think, it's hard to-- 627 00:26:03,410 --> 00:26:05,100 even like ace-seven suited, I think 628 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:06,470 it's hard to continue bluffing. 629 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:07,886 Because as we see, there's already 630 00:26:07,886 --> 00:26:10,370 enough hands with draws, right? 631 00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:13,340 There are already a lot of bluffs here like king-jack, 632 00:26:13,340 --> 00:26:15,010 ace-king-- 633 00:26:15,010 --> 00:26:17,590 I guess like queen-nine, nine-six, 634 00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:20,000 some of these-- so yeah, maybe he'll bluff with these, 635 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,890 but OK, let's get rid of these. 636 00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:27,900 OK, so we've sort of cut down his range a bit. 637 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:31,070 So now it's a river situation, and he checks. 638 00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:32,190 So what does this mean? 639 00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:34,610 Well, it seems improbable that their opponent 640 00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:36,740 would be trying to trap us with this check 641 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:40,170 because he's already been showing plenty of aggression. 642 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:42,020 So it's hard for him to pretend he suddenly 643 00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:44,265 has a bad hand by checking. 644 00:26:44,265 --> 00:26:46,100 And with the pot already so big, he 645 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,280 can get a large percent of our remaining stack into the pot 646 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,680 just by betting instead of check-raising. 647 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,680 So it seems like it's less likely he's checking as a trap. 648 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,110 And also, the ace is sort of a better card 649 00:26:59,110 --> 00:27:01,130 for his range than ours because he's 650 00:27:01,130 --> 00:27:03,560 the one who's been betting, so having draws, 651 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,390 having overcards like aces-- 652 00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:10,760 and for us, we're much less likely than him to have an ace. 653 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,500 So if it's a better card for his range, 654 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,500 he should be betting both for value and with his bluffs. 655 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,780 So that being said, so let's suppose 656 00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:20,480 we assume it's sort of unlikely he 657 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,000 has a really, really good hand, but he could so easily 658 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,350 have a hand that beats ours and calls our potential bluff. 659 00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:31,370 So OK, so now let's go back to PokerStove and eliminate 660 00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:32,120 some more hands. 661 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,140 OK, so what are some hands we can eliminate 662 00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:35,680 after he checks the river? 663 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,797 AUDIENCE: Aces. 664 00:27:36,797 --> 00:27:37,630 WILL MA: Aces, yeah. 665 00:27:37,630 --> 00:27:38,890 I think that's a good one. 666 00:27:38,890 --> 00:27:42,197 I think aces, pretty clearly, he'll bet again on the river. 667 00:27:42,197 --> 00:27:43,030 What's another hand? 668 00:27:43,030 --> 00:27:44,260 AUDIENCE: King-jack. 669 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:46,080 WILL MA: Yeah, king-jack I think he might. 670 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,630 OK, so let's eliminate all other good hands 671 00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:49,270 that we think he's going to continuation bet, right? 672 00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:51,170 I think with any straight, I think 673 00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:52,930 it's reasonable to assume they're just 674 00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:53,846 going to keep betting. 675 00:27:53,846 --> 00:27:55,850 Like nine-seven-- even though it's nowhere near 676 00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:59,020 the monster it was on the flop, it still 677 00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:00,890 only loses to jack-nine and king-jack. 678 00:28:00,890 --> 00:28:03,470 So let's get rid of that one. 679 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:05,650 AUDIENCE: Certainly like ace-queen-- 680 00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:06,280 all those. 681 00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:12,650 WILL MA: Yeah, I think most strong two pairs I think, 682 00:28:12,650 --> 00:28:14,210 definitely, he'll keep betting. 683 00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:15,750 So let's get rid of that. 684 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:17,300 Let's get rid of ace-queen. 685 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,140 Let's get rid of queen-queen. 686 00:28:20,140 --> 00:28:21,370 Let's get rid of queen-10. 687 00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:24,530 I think queen-10 is good enough. 688 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:27,130 Ace-eight-- let's get rid of that one-- 689 00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:28,225 yeah, that's good enough. 690 00:28:28,225 --> 00:28:30,350 Pocket eights, pocket sixes I think is good enough. 691 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:33,710 OK, good. 692 00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:36,650 So OK, we've got some hands here-- 693 00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:38,600 basically, all the good hands we removed-- 694 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,050 all the really good hands that he bets again. 695 00:28:41,050 --> 00:28:42,500 What do you guys think about 10-8? 696 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,150 I guess it doesn't matter too much. 697 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:47,870 Let's assume he checks 10-8 because by this river, 698 00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:50,600 10-8 is no longer the powerhouse it was. 699 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,190 Oh, I've got to get rid of jack-nine. 700 00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:55,580 OK, what are some other hands you think we can eliminate? 701 00:28:55,580 --> 00:28:57,830 So there there's actually another category of hands 702 00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:59,580 we could, potentially, eliminate here. 703 00:29:02,110 --> 00:29:02,610 Yeah? 704 00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:06,786 AUDIENCE: He would probably bet an ace. 705 00:29:06,786 --> 00:29:11,292 WILL MA: Well an ace isn't that good of a hand. 706 00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:13,000 So this is one problem with this analysis 707 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,284 is, it is very subject to debate what 708 00:29:15,284 --> 00:29:16,450 we think about our opponent. 709 00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:19,480 But for the sake of this exercise, I'd say-- 710 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,920 I mean also I think in practice-- 711 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,895 I think it's not clear that you should value bet an ace here. 712 00:29:23,895 --> 00:29:25,353 Because there's just a lot of stuff 713 00:29:25,353 --> 00:29:27,850 that beats you-- a lot of straights, a lot of two pairs. 714 00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:29,558 I think that even if you have a ace-king, 715 00:29:29,558 --> 00:29:31,600 you shouldn't really be confident enough 716 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,700 in your hand to bet. 717 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,990 Like maybe ace-king is marginal but definitely 718 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:38,160 not like ace-seven. 719 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,510 Yeah? 720 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:41,990 AUDIENCE: Bluff bets-- so like weak hands, maybe six-four. 721 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:42,906 WILL MA: Great, great. 722 00:29:42,906 --> 00:29:45,100 Yeah, exactly, so that's what I wanted to hear. 723 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:47,900 So we can also eliminate some of his really weak hands. 724 00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:48,590 This is crucial. 725 00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:50,030 This is an easy thing to miss. 726 00:29:50,030 --> 00:29:52,170 We can probably assume he's not going 727 00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:55,975 to have king-seven because the ace is a reasonable card 728 00:29:55,975 --> 00:29:57,061 to bluff. 729 00:29:57,061 --> 00:29:59,060 It's not great-- it's not like the ace of clubs, 730 00:29:59,060 --> 00:30:00,976 which would be a better card for him to bluff, 731 00:30:00,976 --> 00:30:02,180 but if he's got nothing-- 732 00:30:02,180 --> 00:30:04,160 like if he just completely missed-- 733 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,790 probably-- I mean, let's assume you 734 00:30:05,790 --> 00:30:07,722 know these guys are pretty good players. 735 00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:08,930 He's probably going to bluff. 736 00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:12,560 So let's assume he at least has a pair. 737 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,380 He has some showdown value, because if he had zero showdown 738 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:16,610 value, he would have bluffed. 739 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:21,930 So let's get rid of king-seven, let's get rid of king-nine. 740 00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:26,870 Six-five six-four-- I think, definitely, he 741 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:28,790 should be bluffing, but maybe some players 742 00:30:28,790 --> 00:30:30,530 will see a pair of sixes and say, oh I 743 00:30:30,530 --> 00:30:31,850 have enough showdown value. 744 00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:33,933 So let's get rid of one of them but not the other. 745 00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:35,100 Maybe that's reasonable. 746 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:36,667 So let's get rid of two. 747 00:30:36,667 --> 00:30:38,250 So let's get of six-four and seven-six 748 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:39,990 but keep in six-five and nine-six. 749 00:30:42,790 --> 00:30:48,050 OK, so we leave ourselves with these. 750 00:30:48,050 --> 00:30:50,450 OK, so this seems about reasonable, I think. 751 00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:59,419 Let's eliminate ace-seven. 752 00:30:59,419 --> 00:31:01,460 I think we should have eliminated it on the turn. 753 00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:04,126 Maybe like ace-seven of clubs we can-- oh no, ace-seven of clubs 754 00:31:04,126 --> 00:31:07,680 he can't have because we have the seven of clubs. 755 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,280 I think any other ace-seven other than the ace-seven 756 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,640 of clubs is kind of bad to bet on the turn because the seven 757 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,710 isn't really that good of a card to-- 758 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:18,050 isn't that good of a draw. 759 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:20,870 So let's get rid of ace-seven. 760 00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:22,400 So let's just suppose it's this. 761 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,260 OK, so that was a lot of work. 762 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:30,410 OK, so now roughly speaking, we can 763 00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:33,800 conclude his range on the river is something like this. 764 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,540 So let's assume that he's going to call 765 00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:37,430 with top pair or better. 766 00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:39,590 Once again, this is a pretty strong assumption, 767 00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:41,694 but let's suppose this is the way 768 00:31:41,694 --> 00:31:42,860 we think he's going to play. 769 00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:45,680 He's going to call if he has an ace or better 770 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,690 and fold other ones. 771 00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:52,310 So we're risking 70 to win 100. 772 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:54,394 So let's do an exact calculation now 773 00:31:54,394 --> 00:31:56,060 of how many combinations of these hands. 774 00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:59,820 I'll do this on Notepad. 775 00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:07,955 OK, let me pull up the board. 776 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,340 OK, hopefully, people can see this. 777 00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:24,445 So when I said combinatorial hand analysis, 778 00:32:24,445 --> 00:32:25,820 I mean we're going to, basically, 779 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:27,170 count the combinations. 780 00:32:27,170 --> 00:32:29,180 And like you pointed out, this is-- 781 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:31,860 oh crap, did I accidentally get rid of that? 782 00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:33,820 Oh, that's not good. 783 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:36,050 OK, let me quickly put it back. 784 00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:40,450 So OK, we had kings left, ace-king, ace-jack, ace-nine, 785 00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:48,920 king-queen, queen-jack, queen-nine, what else? 786 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:55,130 10-8, 10-6, eight-six-- we had some sixes, right? 787 00:32:55,130 --> 00:33:01,232 Seven-six, six-five-- and is there something 788 00:33:01,232 --> 00:33:01,940 else I'm missing? 789 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:06,560 Does anyone remember if there's something 790 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,604 I'm forgetting to check off? 791 00:33:09,604 --> 00:33:11,020 I knocked queen-nine off, I guess. 792 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:11,880 I think this about right. 793 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,660 Maybe I'm missing like one or two things. 794 00:33:20,865 --> 00:33:21,740 No one sees anything? 795 00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:26,020 I think this is approximately what we had, right? 796 00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:29,780 OK, hopefully I didn't miss enough 797 00:33:29,780 --> 00:33:31,280 that it drastically changes. 798 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,700 It shouldn't. 799 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:34,240 OK, so let's count the combinations. 800 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,420 Because you can look at the square on the PokerStove and-- 801 00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:40,190 let me clear this annotation-- sorry, 802 00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:41,900 I should've done that a while ago. 803 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:46,490 OK, so you can see the yellow hands on the square 804 00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:49,740 and roughly see how many hands of each type. 805 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:54,210 There's, essentially, three types of hands he could have. 806 00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:59,030 There's hands that call, there's hands that beat us and call, 807 00:33:59,030 --> 00:34:01,730 there's hands that beat us and fold, 808 00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:06,470 and there's hands that we beat and fold. 809 00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:08,929 But the thing is, if you just look at these yellow squares, 810 00:34:08,929 --> 00:34:11,929 it won't give you the right probabilities because we 811 00:34:11,929 --> 00:34:13,489 have certain cards in our hand. 812 00:34:13,489 --> 00:34:15,550 And also, because of the specific ways 813 00:34:15,550 --> 00:34:17,449 suited combinations work, there's 814 00:34:17,449 --> 00:34:19,181 different combinations of each hand. 815 00:34:19,181 --> 00:34:20,389 So OK, let's go through this. 816 00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:24,580 So how many combinations of ace-king suited are there 817 00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:27,030 that-- so we assume he had a backdoor flush draw 818 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:29,270 on the flop, but-- 819 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:33,892 so how many combinations of ace-king suited are possible? 820 00:34:33,892 --> 00:34:35,850 Don't worry about the backdoor flush draw part. 821 00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:37,308 It doesn't matter for this example. 822 00:34:37,308 --> 00:34:39,949 So how many combinations of ace-king suited, Will? 823 00:34:39,949 --> 00:34:40,973 Three. 824 00:34:40,973 --> 00:34:42,139 Because it has to be suited. 825 00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:44,389 And it can't be spades because the ace of spades 826 00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:45,409 is on the board. 827 00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:48,090 So it's three combinations. 828 00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:50,268 OK, ace-jack suited? 829 00:34:50,268 --> 00:34:51,139 AUDIENCE: Three. 830 00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:52,560 WILL MA: Three, OK, good. 831 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,424 Ace-nine suited? 832 00:34:55,424 --> 00:34:56,408 AUDIENCE: Three. 833 00:34:56,408 --> 00:34:57,139 WILL MA: Three. 834 00:34:57,139 --> 00:34:59,800 OK, good. 835 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,585 All right, pocket kings? 836 00:35:01,585 --> 00:35:03,440 AUDIENCE: About six? 837 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,240 WILL MA: Right, so pocket kings is six. 838 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,281 Because there's no kings; we don't see any kings, 839 00:35:07,281 --> 00:35:09,240 and there's no such thing as suitedness. 840 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,530 So yeah, so one thing you realize in this-- 841 00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:14,159 oh, so pocket kings we're assuming he's going to fold-- 842 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:15,950 one thing you will realize in this exercise 843 00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:18,020 is, you've got to put a lot of weight 844 00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:20,120 on the offsuit hands instead of the suited hands. 845 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,600 Because the offsuit hands, combinatorially, have way more 846 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,030 possibilities-- essentially three times as many 847 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:28,190 possibilities-- as the suited hands. 848 00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:31,040 So like this queen-jack offsuit in here 849 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,110 has a huge weight in our calculation. 850 00:35:33,110 --> 00:35:35,090 That's by far his most likely hand. 851 00:35:35,090 --> 00:35:38,600 Because it's the only offsuit hand we're putting him on. 852 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,480 Yeah, it's the only offsuit-- 853 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,250 is it really only the offsuit hand that he could have? 854 00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:45,200 I guess according to our analysis, 855 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,835 we're assuming the only offsuit hand he 856 00:35:46,835 --> 00:35:48,230 could have is queen-jack off. 857 00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:50,438 So how many combinations of queen-jack off are there? 858 00:35:54,379 --> 00:35:54,920 AUDIENCE: 12. 859 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,680 AUDIENCE: 12. 860 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,530 WILL MA: OK, so let's just say queen-jack in total. 861 00:35:59,530 --> 00:36:01,685 Queen-jack suited plus offsuit is 12. 862 00:36:01,685 --> 00:36:04,540 Because we see a queen, so there's four jacks, 863 00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:06,135 three queens, three times four is 12. 864 00:36:06,135 --> 00:36:07,510 It could be suited or not suited. 865 00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:09,092 So OK, that counts for both of those. 866 00:36:09,092 --> 00:36:10,300 What about king-queen suited? 867 00:36:13,102 --> 00:36:14,510 AUDIENCE: Three as well? 868 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:17,660 WILL MA: So it's three as well, but I'm going to put it as two 869 00:36:17,660 --> 00:36:20,900 because I can assume if he had king-queen of spades, 870 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:24,619 which has no flush dras-- like no runner-runner flush draw 871 00:36:24,619 --> 00:36:25,160 on the flop-- 872 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,870 I'm going to assume that he would have folded king-queen 873 00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:27,786 of spades on the flop. 874 00:36:27,786 --> 00:36:31,390 So I'm going to give it two. 875 00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:33,140 OK, so which ones haven't we done? 876 00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:37,350 Queen-nine suited, how many combinations? 877 00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:38,460 Three? 878 00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:39,630 AUDIENCE: Yes. 879 00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:44,820 WILL MA: OK, 10-8 suited, these get five. 880 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:46,920 So the reason why 10-8 is suited is 881 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,680 because we're assuming he doesn't raise 10-8 offsuit 882 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,040 preflop from that position. 883 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,770 So that's why 10-8 has to be suited. 884 00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:56,220 So how many combinations of 10-8 suited? 885 00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:57,000 Two. 886 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,310 OK, how many combinations of 10-6 suited? 887 00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:00,750 AUDIENCE: Two as well. 888 00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:01,350 WILL MA: Two. 889 00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:04,962 How many combinations of eight-six suited? 890 00:37:04,962 --> 00:37:05,830 AUDIENCE: One? 891 00:37:05,830 --> 00:37:06,590 WILL MA: One, yes. 892 00:37:06,590 --> 00:37:07,089 OK. 893 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,570 I miscategorized this one. 894 00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:16,550 So queen-nine is in this category that he's folding. 895 00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:20,000 These are all the hands that call our bluff and beat us. 896 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160 And so the last category is the hands 897 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,860 that we can actually beat if we check it down. 898 00:37:24,860 --> 00:37:25,910 So it's very small. 899 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:30,150 It's just seven-six and six-five suited. 900 00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:33,134 OK, so seven-six suited, how many combinations? 901 00:37:33,134 --> 00:37:34,090 AUDIENCE: Two? 902 00:37:34,090 --> 00:37:34,970 WILL MA: Two. 903 00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:37,760 Six-five suited, three? 904 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,107 OK. 905 00:37:40,107 --> 00:37:40,940 Did I miss anything? 906 00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:42,710 I think this is it, right? 907 00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:45,440 OK, so basically we have to tally it up. 908 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,955 So here, there's 14. 909 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,500 Here, there's 23. 910 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:53,470 And here, there's five. 911 00:37:56,870 --> 00:38:03,547 OK so now that we've done this calculation, 912 00:38:03,547 --> 00:38:05,130 we need to, basically, run the numbers 913 00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:06,450 with these calculations. 914 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:10,354 So essentially, roughly speaking, 915 00:38:10,354 --> 00:38:12,270 they're going to fold more than half the time. 916 00:38:17,709 --> 00:38:19,500 So the numbers-- I think this will actually 917 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:21,030 come out close because with the way 918 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:23,860 we did this specific calculation, 919 00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:26,220 I think we gave him a lot of combinations of hands 920 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:28,050 that we can actually check and beat. 921 00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:30,540 But I think this is still-- this will still definitely 922 00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:31,620 call for a bluff. 923 00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:32,489 But it close. 924 00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:34,530 If you've done the homework, the homework sort of 925 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:35,640 addresses this, right? 926 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,210 It's not just the probability he's calling our bluff, 927 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:44,400 it's the probability he's calling 928 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,020 our bluff versus the probability we win the hand by checking. 929 00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:51,975 And the probability we win the hand by checking is roughly 5 930 00:38:51,975 --> 00:38:54,500 out of 42-- 931 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:58,320 so which is pretty small, and he folds more than half the time. 932 00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,730 So if you run the numbers, you'll 933 00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:03,390 see that bluffing is overwhelmingly profitable. 934 00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:07,280 And I think this is a good example 935 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,670 of why this combinatorial analysis is good-- 936 00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:12,450 is because if you look at PokerStove 937 00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:15,880 and you look at this, you might actually think 938 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,150 bluffing is bad because you look at most of the hands-- 939 00:39:19,150 --> 00:39:22,120 ace-king, ace-jack, ace-nine, 10-8, 10-6, 8-6-- 940 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,680 it's hands that call us and beat us, 941 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,080 but when you do this combinatorial analysis, 942 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,460 you'll realize there's way more combinations of queen-jack 943 00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:33,270 than there are eight-six. 944 00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:35,460 So looking at this itself isn't quite enough 945 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:38,070 because this doesn't weight the probabilities of each one 946 00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:40,460 correctly. 947 00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:43,410 So this is a good exercise to do, I think. 948 00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:45,750 Even though we made a lot of assumptions in our model, 949 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:50,040 but it's a very good exercise to do after the fact 950 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,740 to sort of just analyze what are the different-- all 951 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:55,035 the different possibilities. 952 00:39:55,035 --> 00:39:57,250 OK, so I'm going to take a quick break here. 953 00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:59,640 And then for the last half of the class, 954 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,180 I'm going to just talk about some general poker topics. 955 00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:04,110 So no math. 956 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:05,880 No poker hands. 957 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,200 But just some general stuff about poker and some ending 958 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,590 remarks since this is the last time 959 00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:12,914 I'm teaching since Bill Chen is coming next time. 960 00:40:12,914 --> 00:40:15,330 If you want to, during the break, think about any question 961 00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:17,560 you might want to ask me about poker in general-- 962 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,890 or specific-- and-- 963 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:22,287 yeah-- so we'll take like a 10-minute break. 964 00:40:22,287 --> 00:40:23,745 Make sure you hand in the homework. 965 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,770 All right, so I'm going to wrap up 966 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:32,130 with some general thoughts about poker and poker in general. 967 00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:35,190 So one question that I get asked a lot 968 00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:37,320 is, it's called the Moneymaker effect. 969 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,540 So what happened-- and this is sort of a big catalyst 970 00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:41,010 for poker becoming really popular-- 971 00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:44,450 was, I think in 2003, Chris Moneymaker, 972 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:45,630 that's actually his name-- 973 00:40:45,630 --> 00:40:48,480 Moneymaker is his last name-- 974 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,650 he spent like $1 playing in this satellite on PokerStars, 975 00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:54,179 won a seat to the World Series of Poker main event, 976 00:40:54,179 --> 00:40:56,220 and then went there, and then won the whole thing 977 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:58,460 for like $2.5 million. 978 00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:00,136 It was a beautiful Cinderella story, 979 00:41:00,136 --> 00:41:01,260 and then people heard this. 980 00:41:01,260 --> 00:41:02,730 And also, they made it seem like, you know, 981 00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:04,520 it's not like the lottery where you've got to get really, 982 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,686 really lucky to become rich. 983 00:41:05,686 --> 00:41:07,730 It's literally, this guy's really smart. 984 00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:10,420 He can read people, and it's all skill. 985 00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:11,280 And he did this. 986 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,890 And it's sort of like, anyone can become a poker star just 987 00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:16,380 like Chris Moneymaker. 988 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:19,510 And this was a huge driving force 989 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:22,360 in the popularity of poker. 990 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,260 So a question that I wondered myself is, 991 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:27,305 how could there actually be so much money? 992 00:41:27,305 --> 00:41:29,430 Because someone has to be losing this money for you 993 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:31,370 to be winning this money, right? 994 00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:34,770 So where is the money coming from? 995 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:37,940 Can anyone smart and motivated succeed in poker? 996 00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:40,650 Et cetera. 997 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:43,581 OK, so what's unique about poker? 998 00:41:43,581 --> 00:41:45,330 Why can't you make this much money playing 999 00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:47,280 like chess or something? 1000 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,110 Why can't you make this much money playing hockey? 1001 00:41:50,110 --> 00:41:51,630 So what's unique about poker? 1002 00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:53,470 So I guess four unique aspects that allows 1003 00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:54,720 for there to be so much money. 1004 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,740 So I'm going to talk about them individually. 1005 00:41:56,740 --> 00:42:00,205 One is, I think everyone is overconfident, myself included. 1006 00:42:00,205 --> 00:42:04,050 Two is, gambling self-control-- aspects of that. 1007 00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:06,570 Three is, it's a very fast-evolving game. 1008 00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:08,760 And four is, what I sort of started the class-- 1009 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,650 the very first class I talked about being credit card 1010 00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:14,750 roulette-- not being results-oriented. 1011 00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:15,990 And I think that's very hard. 1012 00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:19,770 So I'll go through each one of them separately. 1013 00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:22,100 So yeah, one is this huge overconfidence thing, 1014 00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:23,100 which is very prevalent. 1015 00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,910 So it's normal, in general, for people to be overconfident. 1016 00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:30,150 I don't know how many of you have seen the experiment where 1017 00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:33,090 it's like, you know, write down your 95% confidence 1018 00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:35,000 intervals for all these things. 1019 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,380 So if they're actually 95% confidence intervals 1020 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:39,180 and they're correctly calibrated, 1021 00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:41,790 then actually 19 out of 20 of your intervals 1022 00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:43,530 should contain the real thing. 1023 00:42:43,530 --> 00:42:45,270 But like you do this for a normal person, 1024 00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:48,990 it'll be like, 30% of their things actually lie neutral. 1025 00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:52,640 So they're just drastically overconfident. 1026 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,530 And so yeah, it's normal to be overconfident, but especially 1027 00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:56,586 in poker. 1028 00:42:56,586 --> 00:42:57,960 I think poker is among the things 1029 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,210 I know where it's easiest to overestimate 1030 00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:02,000 your own abilities. 1031 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,110 Does someone want to suggest any others? 1032 00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:06,209 Is there something else you think where like, 1033 00:43:06,209 --> 00:43:08,000 everyone thinks they're good at this thing? 1034 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,480 So I can think of two examples that I think are sort of true. 1035 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,335 Raise your hand if you think you're a below medium driver. 1036 00:43:23,932 --> 00:43:26,015 No, but some people actually are willing to do it. 1037 00:43:26,015 --> 00:43:28,400 Because I very rarely talk to someone who admitted 1038 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,677 to being bad at driving. 1039 00:43:29,677 --> 00:43:31,760 Everyone I've ever asked about their driving skill 1040 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,490 thinks they're really good at driving a car, myself included. 1041 00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:37,577 I definitely don't think I'm a below medium driver. 1042 00:43:37,577 --> 00:43:38,660 Another thing is teaching. 1043 00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:41,360 I've also barely talked to someone 1044 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,090 who thinks they're worse than medium at teaching. 1045 00:43:47,032 --> 00:43:48,490 I guess maybe Professor [INAUDIBLE] 1046 00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:49,840 can speak about this. 1047 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:57,820 Most things someone will admit to being bad at this, 1048 00:43:57,820 --> 00:44:02,340 but poker is similar to these two examples I thought of-- 1049 00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:03,560 driving, teaching, sort of. 1050 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,120 Where it's just very easy to think you're really good at it, 1051 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,270 and it's hard to admit to yourself that you're not 1052 00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:10,270 good at it. 1053 00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:13,770 Yeah, so one saying in poker is, if you can't spot the fish 1054 00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:17,190 at the table-- the fish is like the losing player that everyone 1055 00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:18,530 is trying to win money from-- 1056 00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:20,520 then you are the fish. 1057 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,210 This is sort of a popular saying. 1058 00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:26,355 So why is overconfidence so common in poker? 1059 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,720 It's like a mental battle. 1060 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,330 Your mentally battling against your opponent. 1061 00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:34,110 Is he bluffing? 1062 00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:34,950 Is he not? 1063 00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:36,900 And it's just easy to always assume-- 1064 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:40,409 which I do throughout a lot of this class, right? 1065 00:44:40,409 --> 00:44:41,700 I talk about exploitative play. 1066 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,670 I'm building a model for our opponent 1067 00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:47,070 and assuming that they behave as a probabilistic machine 1068 00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:48,330 according to my model. 1069 00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:50,250 I'm assuming that I'm ahead of my opponent. 1070 00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:52,032 I'm assuming I'm better. 1071 00:44:52,032 --> 00:44:54,150 There's also a lot of selective memory, I think. 1072 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:56,100 It's easy to remember your bad beats-- 1073 00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:59,590 the time they hit a king on the river and beat your aces-- 1074 00:44:59,590 --> 00:45:02,730 and it's easy to forget the times you got really lucky 1075 00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:04,170 on the river and beat them. 1076 00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:08,250 So selective memory, I think, is a big aspect. 1077 00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:11,410 I think lack of clear benchmarks is a big aspect as well. 1078 00:45:11,410 --> 00:45:13,740 So it's not like running 100 meters. 1079 00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:16,300 No one who takes 30 seconds to run 100 meters 1080 00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:19,410 is going to think, oh, I can compete in the Olympics, right? 1081 00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:20,410 Because it's very clear. 1082 00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:23,210 There's a very clear benchmark how fast you need to be. 1083 00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:26,700 But in poker, even if you don't win tournaments, 1084 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:28,800 it's easy to complain about luck. 1085 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,780 And there's different types of tournaments. 1086 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:33,570 And it's easy to like bend the benchmarks in a way 1087 00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:36,910 to convince yourself that you're better than you are. 1088 00:45:36,910 --> 00:45:39,690 It's easy to hit a lucky streak and consider it all skill, 1089 00:45:39,690 --> 00:45:42,150 and you can blame all your losing streaks on luck. 1090 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:43,740 So those are some reasons I think. 1091 00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:46,020 I think poker is just a very well-designed game 1092 00:45:46,020 --> 00:45:48,030 for this purpose and to, basically, 1093 00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:50,730 tricking and deceiving people into overestimating 1094 00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:53,880 their own ability. 1095 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,460 And another aspect of it is, and this 1096 00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:58,720 is what's really tough poker, I think, is, 1097 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,240 even though it's so easy to be overconfident, 1098 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,780 and it's such a flaw to be overconfident, it's also, 1099 00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:04,950 in some sense, necessary. 1100 00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:06,750 You know, if you're not confident, 1101 00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:08,190 how can you take risks? 1102 00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:11,000 Poker-- you're gambling, essentially, 1103 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,200 and you have to do risky things. 1104 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,650 And if you're not confident, how can you do risky things, right? 1105 00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:20,460 And also, if you're trying to mentally read your opponent, 1106 00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:21,960 if you're constantly remind yourself 1107 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,720 that you're dumber than you think you are, then how can 1108 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,980 you actually think that you can outread your opponent? 1109 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:30,750 And I talked about this results-oriented. 1110 00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:32,310 You need to be confident to trust 1111 00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:35,310 that you made a good decision even though your result was 1112 00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:37,600 you lost $10,000 on the day. 1113 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,820 So confidence is also necessary, but it's also so easy 1114 00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:42,860 to be overconfident. 1115 00:46:42,860 --> 00:46:46,470 So this balance of being exactly the right confidence 1116 00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:50,010 is something that I think even like professional poker 1117 00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:53,464 players strive to try to strike the balance between every day. 1118 00:46:53,464 --> 00:46:54,630 And I think it's very tough. 1119 00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:55,980 And it's something I struggle with a lot, 1120 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:58,485 too, to try to figure out when I'm being overconfident 1121 00:46:58,485 --> 00:47:02,470 and when I'm being underconfident. 1122 00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:05,580 So I think one good mentality-- so back to this driving thing 1123 00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:09,300 is, I think it's a good mentality-- you know, 1124 00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:10,800 if you play poker and you enjoy it. 1125 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,950 I think it's a great game. 1126 00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:14,340 It's a beautiful mathematical game and a fun game 1127 00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:17,010 to play with friends if you're just 1128 00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:19,350 are willing to admit, you know, I play in this home game 1129 00:47:19,350 --> 00:47:20,150 every Friday night. 1130 00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:23,190 I'm probably a below average player. 1131 00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:25,744 I probably lose, on average, $10 every time I play. 1132 00:47:25,744 --> 00:47:26,910 I think that's totally fine. 1133 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:28,368 It's just like spending your Friday 1134 00:47:28,368 --> 00:47:29,760 night going to see a movie. 1135 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,990 You pay $10 and you're happy to take $10 out of your wallet 1136 00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:37,590 and not see it again, right? 1137 00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:40,740 I think it would be a healthy mentality for more people 1138 00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:43,579 to be willing to do this and just admit to themselves, 1139 00:47:43,579 --> 00:47:45,870 yeah, I enjoy playing poker, and I lose a bit of money, 1140 00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:47,470 but you know, I have fun doing it. 1141 00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:49,410 And it's the same as seeing a movie 1142 00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:52,640 but, in reality, I think this isn't the case. 1143 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,280 Even at these friendly Friday night games for low stakes, 1144 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,260 probably, if you ask all the people there, 1145 00:47:58,260 --> 00:48:00,060 do you think you're beating your friends? 1146 00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:01,350 Everyone's going to say yes. 1147 00:48:01,350 --> 00:48:05,250 Everyone's not saying, oh, I'm going there, essentially, 1148 00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:07,410 paying $10 to play poker with my friends. 1149 00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:10,020 Everyone's saying, I'm winning a bit of money or whatever, 1150 00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:10,520 right? 1151 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:16,440 So I think that's an important mentality to try to have that. 1152 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,645 And I think it's fine. 1153 00:48:18,645 --> 00:48:22,320 You don't have to be the best at everything, right? 1154 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,306 So one story I like to tell is, so David Einhorn-- 1155 00:48:25,306 --> 00:48:26,305 he's like a billionaire. 1156 00:48:26,305 --> 00:48:29,460 I think he founded Greenlight Capital or something. 1157 00:48:29,460 --> 00:48:33,340 And he actually won $4 million in a $1 million 1158 00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:37,170 buy-in poker tournament and donated it all to charity. 1159 00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:39,240 And after the fact-- 1160 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,520 he's always like a super smart guy-- 1161 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,860 so he played a $1 million buy-in tournament. 1162 00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:46,850 So everyone else playing this tournament is like a poker 1163 00:48:46,850 --> 00:48:48,990 professional-- the best in the world-- 1164 00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:52,400 and he's just like this rich billionaire who 1165 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,960 doesn't really-- like he wasn't bad, 1166 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,750 but he just started playing poker. 1167 00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:59,730 Like, he's a smart guy, and he got coaching to play it, 1168 00:48:59,730 --> 00:49:02,930 but he was the clear loser in the tournament. 1169 00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:03,930 And he just admitted it. 1170 00:49:03,930 --> 00:49:05,638 He just said you know, I'm a billionaire. 1171 00:49:05,638 --> 00:49:07,250 I'm happy to spend a million dollars 1172 00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:08,330 playing this tournament. 1173 00:49:08,330 --> 00:49:12,077 I understand I'm probably expecting to lose like $200,000 1174 00:49:12,077 --> 00:49:14,410 or whatever playing this tournament with all these guys, 1175 00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:15,330 but I'm fine with it. 1176 00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:17,514 I got a million dollars, who cares, right? 1177 00:49:17,514 --> 00:49:18,680 And he was just very honest. 1178 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,070 And even after he actually won $4 million, 1179 00:49:21,070 --> 00:49:22,820 he didn't come first, he came like third-- 1180 00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:26,010 he just admitted, you know, he said like, I was very lucky. 1181 00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:28,670 I came in expecting to just lose this $1 million 1182 00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:30,584 that I don't care about, and then 1183 00:49:30,584 --> 00:49:32,750 he just donated all his winnings to charity, anyway. 1184 00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:35,150 But I wish more people were like him. 1185 00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:37,040 I think that's a very good mentality 1186 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,800 to have to just admit that you're playing poker for fun, 1187 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,060 and that's totally fine. 1188 00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:45,060 OK, so the second thing I want to talk about 1189 00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:47,870 is gambling self-control. 1190 00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:51,290 So I think this can also be the downfall 1191 00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:53,990 of a lot of smart and motivated people trying 1192 00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:54,870 to get into poker. 1193 00:49:58,102 --> 00:49:59,810 So these are some things that can happen. 1194 00:49:59,810 --> 00:50:01,730 So after getting unlucky in the previous hand, 1195 00:50:01,730 --> 00:50:04,200 you play the next hand poorly because you're upset. 1196 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,460 You're tilted, as poker player say. 1197 00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:10,179 Or playing when you're tired just to get unstuck. 1198 00:50:10,179 --> 00:50:12,470 I've definitely done this many times before in my poker 1199 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:13,460 career. 1200 00:50:13,460 --> 00:50:15,470 If I lost money, especially when I 1201 00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:18,290 feel like I'd gotten unlucky playing against someone 1202 00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:20,060 who I'm better than and just like, 1203 00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:22,150 I've lost money because I got unlucky, 1204 00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:26,240 I won't stop playing until I get unstuck, which is like, 1205 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,270 win back the money I lost until I'm in the black, essentially. 1206 00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:32,922 And it's terrible because even if I'm a bit better, 1207 00:50:32,922 --> 00:50:34,630 if I'm playing with this mentality trying 1208 00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:36,900 to get unstuck, I'm just going to be making 1209 00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:40,020 below average decisions, and it's just not a good thing 1210 00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:42,330 to do. 1211 00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:44,640 And also from the other side, it can be 1212 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,370 hard to rationalize gambling. 1213 00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:48,830 So it's hard to stop yourself from gambling too much, 1214 00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:52,520 but it's also sometimes hard to rationalize that, you know, 1215 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,830 gambling-- there is a lot of stigma around gambling. 1216 00:50:54,830 --> 00:50:57,740 You have to convince yourself that, I 1217 00:50:57,740 --> 00:50:59,172 shouldn't be too scared. 1218 00:50:59,172 --> 00:51:01,130 I'm playing this game that involves-- you know, 1219 00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:02,150 you can call it gambling-- 1220 00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:03,890 I'm playing this game with a lot of luck. 1221 00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:05,914 And you've got to convince yourself that, this 1222 00:51:05,914 --> 00:51:07,080 is what I'm fine with doing. 1223 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,240 It's like a lottery. 1224 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:10,280 And you've got to sometimes make decisions 1225 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,540 under pressure as well. 1226 00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,456 And you've just got to rationalize to yourself 1227 00:51:13,456 --> 00:51:15,389 that, yeah, there's a lot of luck in this, 1228 00:51:15,389 --> 00:51:16,930 but this is the game I chose to play. 1229 00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:22,595 The third thing is-- 1230 00:51:22,595 --> 00:51:26,450 so fast evolution, I think, is another big aspect 1231 00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:31,550 of how there was so much money in Texas hold 'em for so long. 1232 00:51:31,550 --> 00:51:34,490 So it was a relatively new game, also 1233 00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:36,020 with a lot of hidden depth. 1234 00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:38,060 So something like this can never happen 1235 00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:40,440 in chess, where chess has been studied 1236 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,620 for hundreds, thousands of years, 1237 00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:44,600 and it's not like a new game. 1238 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,450 And even though the best player today is still better than 1239 00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:50,610 the best player 20 years ago, it's not like the game is 1240 00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:55,110 evolving super fast, whereas hold 'em was like a new game-- 1241 00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:57,110 a relatively new game at the time. 1242 00:51:57,110 --> 00:51:59,960 And just-- there was so much hidden depth, 1243 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,409 and the best players just kept improving so fast that-- 1244 00:52:03,409 --> 00:52:05,450 so like you say, like the best player in the year 1245 00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:09,380 2000 would be like a terrible player by 2004. 1246 00:52:09,380 --> 00:52:12,640 And like the best player in 2004 would be a bad player 1247 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,910 by 2008, et cetera. 1248 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:16,580 So it's just, even if you're on top of the game 1249 00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:18,680 right now, if you stop studying, you're 1250 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,560 going to be nowhere near the top of the game in like a year. 1251 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,010 So it was just so fast. 1252 00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:25,640 Can anyone else think of other examples of things 1253 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,106 that are kind of like this? 1254 00:52:28,106 --> 00:52:32,420 AUDIENCE: CrossFit was-- well, if you get like-- 1255 00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:37,280 the winner of the 2009-2010 games wouldn't even compete. 1256 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,370 WILL MA: Oh, wow. 1257 00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:39,430 OK I didn't know that. 1258 00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:40,400 That's cool. 1259 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,574 I didn't know CrossFit was that good, yeah. 1260 00:52:43,574 --> 00:52:46,730 That's pretty crazy. 1261 00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:49,910 There's one other thing I can sort of think of. 1262 00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:53,000 How many you guys have done math contests as a kid? 1263 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,384 I think those, to my knowledge, have gotten a lot harder, 1264 00:52:56,384 --> 00:52:57,800 just in terms of how good you need 1265 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,560 to be to say, be on the United States national team 1266 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,060 is way harder now than it was, say, 30 years ago from what 1267 00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:06,485 I've heard. 1268 00:53:06,485 --> 00:53:08,500 But yeah, so this aspect of Texas hold 1269 00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:10,730 'em-- so this was also a huge driving factor. 1270 00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:14,570 Because it would be easy to tell yourself, 1271 00:53:14,570 --> 00:53:16,920 I was the best player in the world four years ago. 1272 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,400 I could obviously sit down at this $1/$2 game and make money, 1273 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:20,900 right? 1274 00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:22,670 And the answer would often be, no. 1275 00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:26,600 So this was another reason why there was a lot of money in it. 1276 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,630 Because it's easy to just remember 1277 00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:31,490 that you were the best a year ago and just 1278 00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:36,760 forget that the tides are rising so fast. 1279 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,800 So that being said, so I wanted to also take this opportunity 1280 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,574 to suggest some further readings for-- 1281 00:53:41,574 --> 00:53:42,740 I know I've been asked this. 1282 00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:43,000 Yeah? 1283 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,270 AUDIENCE: So why is that? 1284 00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:45,670 Based on your understanding? 1285 00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:49,790 I think because of your strategies-- 1286 00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:51,266 you have to improve your strategy? 1287 00:53:51,266 --> 00:53:52,640 WILL MA: Yeah, yeah, I also think 1288 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,930 there was a lot of hidden depth. 1289 00:53:54,930 --> 00:53:59,040 So I mean, I think with any new thing, this will be the case. 1290 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,940 But I think in poker, there were many times 1291 00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:05,930 where the consensus amongst the top players was that they 1292 00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:08,065 were close to solving the game. 1293 00:54:08,065 --> 00:54:09,440 And then a year later, they would 1294 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,607 realize they missed completely viable strategies that 1295 00:54:13,607 --> 00:54:15,440 completely messed up all their calculations, 1296 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,220 and they had to start over. 1297 00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:19,700 So I think that was big. 1298 00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:22,184 It's easy to think that you've solved the game 1299 00:54:22,184 --> 00:54:23,600 and then suddenly realize, oh, I'm 1300 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,955 nowhere near solving the game because I forgot about all 1301 00:54:25,955 --> 00:54:28,108 of these different strategies. 1302 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,762 This might be sort of true with a lot of-- 1303 00:54:33,762 --> 00:54:34,970 I'm trying to think, I mean-- 1304 00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:36,950 the biggest thing is, it's a new thing. 1305 00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:38,990 Like it's hard for this to happen like-- 1306 00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:41,330 I think in most sports that people 1307 00:54:41,330 --> 00:54:43,910 have done for a long time, people get gradually better, 1308 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:44,600 right? 1309 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,574 You look at like, the 100-meter sprint. 1310 00:54:46,574 --> 00:54:48,740 It's like, yeah, the world record is getting broken, 1311 00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:50,960 but it's not like it's going to go from 10 seconds 1312 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,260 to five seconds. 1313 00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:57,860 It'll go from 10 seconds to 9.99 seconds or something like that. 1314 00:54:57,860 --> 00:55:02,504 So I think just the fact that it's new is a big aspect. 1315 00:55:02,504 --> 00:55:05,630 But yeah, Texas hold 'em would be the equivalent to the world 1316 00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:08,090 record in the 100 meters being 10 seconds then 1317 00:55:08,090 --> 00:55:09,670 like five seconds a year later, then 1318 00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:14,270 like two seconds like two years later, it was just insane. 1319 00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:16,790 OK, so that being said, so some people have asked me, 1320 00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:20,840 if I want to continue learning about poker and reading poker, 1321 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:21,950 what should I do? 1322 00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:25,455 So that being said, I think the best resources, by far, 1323 00:55:25,455 --> 00:55:27,280 are online. 1324 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,030 A lot of people have asked me about books, 1325 00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:33,560 and I will recommend some books, but I think books, basically, 1326 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,190 blew out of date way too fast. 1327 00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:38,540 So I think, in general, the best resources are online. 1328 00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:42,530 So cardrunners.com is a website where, basically, poker pros 1329 00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:46,752 can make videos of themselves while playing and talking. 1330 00:55:46,752 --> 00:55:48,460 You do have to pay to get a subscription. 1331 00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:52,970 OK, so this is a bit of a biased advice, just a warning, 1332 00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:54,810 because I'm a pro at CardRunners, 1333 00:55:54,810 --> 00:55:58,050 but, I mean, amongst like 50, 60 other pros. 1334 00:55:58,050 --> 00:55:59,930 They also donated some free memberships 1335 00:55:59,930 --> 00:56:02,570 to students in the class if you guys looked at the prizes. 1336 00:56:02,570 --> 00:56:06,770 So you can get some free memberships to CardRunners. 1337 00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:10,040 A good free resource is Two Plus Two forums. 1338 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,130 I think there's a lot of garbage on those forums nowadays 1339 00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:16,310 but, still, most of the best poker players in the world 1340 00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:19,785 still do use those forums and posts on those forums-- so 1341 00:56:19,785 --> 00:56:20,410 twoplustwo.com. 1342 00:56:20,410 --> 00:56:23,950 There is a lot of garbage and banter, 1343 00:56:23,950 --> 00:56:25,750 but if you are just trying to improve, 1344 00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:27,250 there is good content on there. 1345 00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:30,490 You just have to find it. 1346 00:56:30,490 --> 00:56:32,960 So this is a new thing, but on Twitch streams-- 1347 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,370 so Twitch is a website you can go on to watch, 1348 00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:39,970 essentially, poker pros play in real time. 1349 00:56:39,970 --> 00:56:42,820 They share their screens and talk through their hands. 1350 00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:44,620 It's a pretty good free resource. 1351 00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:47,080 It's sometimes more entertaining than educational, 1352 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,730 but I think it's quite good. 1353 00:56:48,730 --> 00:56:51,520 And they would do like a 10-minute delay 1354 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,820 so that you can't watch them and you know what cards they have. 1355 00:56:54,820 --> 00:56:57,010 In case anyone was considering trying 1356 00:56:57,010 --> 00:57:00,340 to do that to get an advantage. 1357 00:57:00,340 --> 00:57:02,530 So these are some online resources, 1358 00:57:02,530 --> 00:57:05,260 and I will suggest some books, although I 1359 00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:09,010 do think most of these books, I think, are reasonably outdated. 1360 00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:11,475 But I do think they're very-- in my opinion, 1361 00:57:11,475 --> 00:57:12,850 out of the books I've read, these 1362 00:57:12,850 --> 00:57:14,590 are the best-written books. 1363 00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:17,320 And even if they're a bit outdated, 1364 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,480 I think the theory and the way they're written 1365 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,000 is very good and also somewhat entertaining 1366 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,820 and sort of gives you an idea on the history of poker 1367 00:57:24,820 --> 00:57:27,869 and the evolution of the game. 1368 00:57:27,869 --> 00:57:29,410 So my favorite book is the first one. 1369 00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:31,200 It's called, Small Stakes Hold 'em. 1370 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,260 It's by Ed Miller, who's a MIT graduate; David Sklansky; 1371 00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:36,790 and Mason Malmuth. 1372 00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:38,420 So this is actually limit hold 'em, 1373 00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:40,970 which is, in some sense, a solved game nowadays, 1374 00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:43,000 and no one plays limit hold 'em anymore. 1375 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,630 So limit hold 'em is where you can't bet any amount. 1376 00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:50,770 You have to bet a very specific size. 1377 00:57:50,770 --> 00:57:52,796 But I think this is one of the classic books. 1378 00:57:52,796 --> 00:57:54,670 So this is one of the classic books in poker. 1379 00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:57,037 It's very well written and written by mathematicians. 1380 00:57:57,037 --> 00:57:59,245 And it just goes through the basic concepts of poker, 1381 00:57:59,245 --> 00:58:01,828 I think, very, very well, even though it's for limit hold 'em. 1382 00:58:01,828 --> 00:58:02,710 And it's a good read. 1383 00:58:05,830 --> 00:58:09,100 Yeah, it might even be a collector's item nowadays. 1384 00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:11,620 So one story I'd like to tell about this book is-- 1385 00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:14,410 so my good friend, Mike McDonald, he was-- 1386 00:58:14,410 --> 00:58:18,540 so he's the guy who got me into poker. 1387 00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:20,800 He's probably read this book, he says like-- 1388 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,960 maybe like 20 times. 1389 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,764 And then he's also a guy who doesn't really like reading. 1390 00:58:25,764 --> 00:58:27,430 So I think there was a point in his life 1391 00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:31,390 where he's read less than 20 different books in his life 1392 00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:34,990 but then this specific book more than 20 times. 1393 00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:37,330 So it's a very good book. 1394 00:58:37,330 --> 00:58:39,520 Harrington on Hold 'em is on tournaments. 1395 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,420 It's outdated. 1396 00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:42,070 It's really, really badly outdated, 1397 00:58:42,070 --> 00:58:44,390 but I still think it's very well written and has 1398 00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:45,352 some good concepts. 1399 00:58:45,352 --> 00:58:46,810 That's how I first started learning 1400 00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:50,830 to play tournaments is Harrington on Hold 'em 1 and 2. 1401 00:58:50,830 --> 00:58:53,620 Kill Phil/ Kill Everyone I think is pretty good, 1402 00:58:53,620 --> 00:58:54,620 pretty up to date-- 1403 00:58:54,620 --> 00:58:56,400 it's decent, I think. 1404 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,970 Every Hand Revealed is-- 1405 00:58:57,970 --> 00:58:59,770 Gus Hansen's a very famous poker player 1406 00:58:59,770 --> 00:59:02,620 who's been around forever. 1407 00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:05,920 So it's a book where he goes through every hand he played 1408 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,384 in this tournament that he won. 1409 00:59:07,384 --> 00:59:09,550 And I think it's more entertaining than educational, 1410 00:59:09,550 --> 00:59:12,340 but he's definitely a really good player. 1411 00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:14,050 Mathematics of Poker by Bill Chen. 1412 00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:17,240 It's not that practical-- don't tell Bill this when he comes 1413 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,880 Friday-- 1414 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,030 it's theoretically very interesting if you like math-- 1415 00:59:22,030 --> 00:59:23,380 if you like game theory. 1416 00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:25,340 It's theoretically very interesting. 1417 00:59:25,340 --> 00:59:28,890 Building a Bankroll is a recent book that-- 1418 00:59:28,890 --> 00:59:30,870 this year, he didn't have any leftovers 1419 00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:33,140 to donate to our class but, in the past, 1420 00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:36,070 he's supported our class and donated 1421 00:59:36,070 --> 00:59:37,250 a lot of copies of the book. 1422 00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:42,007 And I think it's pretty up to date, and it's for cash games, 1423 00:59:42,007 --> 00:59:43,090 so I think it's very good. 1424 00:59:47,290 --> 00:59:50,110 OK, so back to the four things about poker that I think 1425 00:59:50,110 --> 00:59:52,450 makes it unique. 1426 00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:57,790 So the fourth point is this idea of not being results-oriented. 1427 00:59:57,790 --> 00:59:59,760 So yeah, so we talked about this a lot 1428 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,090 in the first class already-- this decision mentality, where 1429 01:00:04,090 --> 01:00:06,610 you need to care about the decision you made, 1430 01:00:06,610 --> 01:00:08,080 not the result you got. 1431 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,020 And I think this actually is a barrier 1432 01:00:11,020 --> 01:00:14,210 to a lot of smart and motivated people getting 1433 01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:18,910 into poker because it's almost antithetical. 1434 01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:21,810 If you're a smart and motivated person, you're used to like-- 1435 01:00:21,810 --> 01:00:25,180 you study hard, and then you get a good result on your tests, 1436 01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:27,090 right? 1437 01:00:27,090 --> 01:00:29,711 If you get a failing grade in your test, 1438 01:00:29,711 --> 01:00:31,960 you're never going to be able to go up to your parents 1439 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,145 and be like, oh, I make good decisions, 1440 01:00:34,145 --> 01:00:36,520 but I just got really unlucky and failed the test, right? 1441 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,769 No one's going to believe you. 1442 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,360 In poker, this can happen all the time. 1443 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,514 So it is a bit antithetical to sort of being motivated. 1444 01:00:48,514 --> 01:00:50,180 One thing poker players like to laugh at 1445 01:00:50,180 --> 01:00:54,190 is, I don't know if you put the word, results-oriented 1446 01:00:54,190 --> 01:00:56,650 on your resume? 1447 01:00:56,650 --> 01:00:59,080 I've seen seminars that teach you to become 1448 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,630 "results-oriented," and advertising this as being 1449 01:01:01,630 --> 01:01:03,070 a great thing. 1450 01:01:03,070 --> 01:01:04,630 You achieve results. 1451 01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:07,870 You work hard, make decisions, and you achieve results. 1452 01:01:07,870 --> 01:01:09,670 But we always laugh at this. 1453 01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:11,140 Because results-oriented is always 1454 01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:12,910 a negative term in poker. 1455 01:01:12,910 --> 01:01:16,060 If a poker player says someone is results-oriented, 1456 01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:17,960 they don't respect them very much. 1457 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,510 But I've seen resume's where people say, 1458 01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:22,300 I'm very results-oriented. 1459 01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:31,820 So a related thing is, it's easy to underestimate 1460 01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:33,620 the variance in poker. 1461 01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:36,860 And this is a big aspect, too, that goes on 1462 01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:39,080 with being results-oriented. 1463 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,560 So this statistical experiment involving making up 1464 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,390 sequences of coin flips-- 1465 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:47,350 I've heard of this where a professor would 1466 01:01:47,350 --> 01:01:50,910 ask students to make up a sequence of 200 coin flips. 1467 01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:53,160 Can we get half the class to do this? 1468 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,220 And then can we get the other half to actually flip 200 coins 1469 01:01:57,220 --> 01:01:59,470 and write down like heads, tails, heads, heads, heads, 1470 01:01:59,470 --> 01:02:01,130 tails? 1471 01:02:01,130 --> 01:02:04,190 And he could tell with like 100% certainty 1472 01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:06,830 which ones are made up and which ones were real. 1473 01:02:06,830 --> 01:02:08,750 And the way he did this is basically 1474 01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:11,050 looking at which of the-- 1475 01:02:11,050 --> 01:02:13,280 what's the longest sequence of heads in a row 1476 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,660 or tails in a row? 1477 01:02:14,660 --> 01:02:18,050 And basically, in reality, if you flipped 200 coins-- 1478 01:02:18,050 --> 01:02:19,490 I forget the exact numbers, but I 1479 01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:22,280 think it's something like, you're like 99% 1480 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,760 to get at least like six or seven of the same thing 1481 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,790 in a row, whereas in all the made-up ones 1482 01:02:28,790 --> 01:02:30,990 that people would be like, oh if there was heads 1483 01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:33,290 seven times in a row, that can't be random, right? 1484 01:02:33,290 --> 01:02:36,870 So we can't put seven hands in a row. 1485 01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:40,730 So I think it's known that it's easy to underestimate 1486 01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:43,190 how long you can get unlucky looking for. 1487 01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:45,950 Like it's easy to think, I've been unlucky the last three 1488 01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:48,730 times; that means I must deserve to get lucky now. 1489 01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:51,890 But this is not true, mathematically. 1490 01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:55,510 And it's just very easy to underestimate 1491 01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:58,820 variance and underestimate how likely it 1492 01:02:58,820 --> 01:03:01,340 is that you're just actually going to lose 10 coin 1493 01:03:01,340 --> 01:03:02,360 flips in a row in poker. 1494 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,410 It's going to happen to you, and you're going to get tilted. 1495 01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:08,940 And it's very important to control tilt. 1496 01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:11,120 And yeah, pretty much every poker player 1497 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,270 thinks they're unluckier than mathematically possible. 1498 01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:17,390 I've definitely felt like this in many parts of my career. 1499 01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:19,940 I still feel like this sometimes now. 1500 01:03:19,940 --> 01:03:22,160 It's very easy to get this feeling where you just, 1501 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,490 how can it be possible? 1502 01:03:23,490 --> 01:03:25,710 How could I actually lose 20 coin flips in a row? 1503 01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:27,750 Well, it can happen. 1504 01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:32,174 And one of my poker players that I was talking to, John Cannon, 1505 01:03:32,174 --> 01:03:34,340 he plays a lot of online poker, and this is actually 1506 01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:36,450 a picture of his desk. 1507 01:03:36,450 --> 01:03:39,500 He, basically, was so angry I think he smashed his mouse 1508 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,260 and made a big hole in his desk. 1509 01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:43,670 So it can really frustrate you. 1510 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,955 And I hate to say this, but I think 1511 01:03:49,955 --> 01:03:53,400 even if you're working very hard, you 1512 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,696 do need some lucky big scores along the way, 1513 01:03:55,696 --> 01:03:57,320 especially at the start to get into it, 1514 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,840 even if you're very smart and working in the right way. 1515 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,587 And this is also antithetical and smart. 1516 01:04:02,587 --> 01:04:04,670 Antithetical to smart and motivated people, right? 1517 01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:08,030 Because we want to believe that if you work hard 1518 01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:10,400 and you're smart, then you'll make it for sure. 1519 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,580 But I wouldn't say this is true in poker. 1520 01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:15,830 I mean, I think I'm willing to admit that I think 1521 01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:18,140 I was very lucky at the start. 1522 01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:20,120 I had some big scores at the start that 1523 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,950 really drove my interest in the game 1524 01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:25,280 and really propelled me into professional poker. 1525 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,510 And I think there probably, in a parallel universe, 1526 01:04:28,510 --> 01:04:31,670 could be another copy of me that did the exact same things 1527 01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:34,160 and just didn't get as lucky as I did at the start 1528 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,240 and just never got into poker. 1529 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,940 So this fact that you do still need to get lucky, 1530 01:04:39,940 --> 01:04:42,440 even if you make all the right decisions [INAUDIBLE] make it 1531 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:42,939 is-- 1532 01:04:42,939 --> 01:04:47,424 It's sort of a tough thing to swallow. 1533 01:04:47,424 --> 01:04:48,840 This is sort of a different story, 1534 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,700 but I'd like to argue that that's sort of true in life, 1535 01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:54,260 too-- 1536 01:04:54,260 --> 01:04:56,930 the fact that being smart and working hard 1537 01:04:56,930 --> 01:05:00,950 doesn't guarantee success by any means. 1538 01:05:00,950 --> 01:05:05,720 So although that's a negative thing for poker, 1539 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,930 I'd like to end with what I call, "the joy of making 1540 01:05:08,930 --> 01:05:10,670 good decisions." 1541 01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:13,310 So even though not everyone makes it in poker, 1542 01:05:13,310 --> 01:05:16,400 but poker players-- 1543 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,864 we like to talk about sort of, you're not really there. 1544 01:05:18,864 --> 01:05:21,530 You shouldn't be trying to think about making money or whatever. 1545 01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:23,960 You're sort of just there to enjoy the game, 1546 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,480 and have an honest opinion on your ability, 1547 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,031 and calibrate your confidence. 1548 01:05:29,031 --> 01:05:31,280 I've told the Bill Gates/Doyle Brunson story but yeah, 1549 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,280 basically, Bill Gates, I think, was a pretty good poker 1550 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,970 player for quite a while. 1551 01:05:36,970 --> 01:05:37,970 And he would make money. 1552 01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:42,892 And clearly, it was not his best way to make money. 1553 01:05:42,892 --> 01:05:45,350 He could probably just go to his company and make like $500 1554 01:05:45,350 --> 01:05:48,480 a second or something like that. 1555 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,720 But when asked about it, Bill Gates would just say, 1556 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,000 I love making good decisions. 1557 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,420 I love thinking about this game and making decisions. 1558 01:05:55,420 --> 01:05:58,040 And even though, clearly, the money means nothing to me, 1559 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,070 it's still important to me, as a personal goal, 1560 01:06:01,070 --> 01:06:03,170 to succeed at this game and make money, 1561 01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:05,460 even though it doesn't mean anything. 1562 01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:07,910 So it's about this joy of making good decisions. 1563 01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:10,670 And I think part of the reason Bill Gates was 1564 01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:13,381 able to be quite good was because the money meant nothing 1565 01:06:13,381 --> 01:06:13,880 to him. 1566 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,504 He didn't really care about his results 1567 01:06:15,504 --> 01:06:17,240 and how much he made or lost, clearly. 1568 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,720 He just focused on making the best decisions. 1569 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:26,030 And so it is true that there's a decent amount of luck in poker 1570 01:06:26,030 --> 01:06:30,790 but, yes, I would argue, life is luck, and you only live once-- 1571 01:06:30,790 --> 01:06:32,630 there's all these sayings but, overall, 1572 01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:35,720 the thing to keep in mind is, like Jennifer Shahade talked 1573 01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,220 about this with the "Goldilocks" video-- 1574 01:06:38,220 --> 01:06:41,170 so you want to think of your life and/or your poker career 1575 01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:44,840 or whatever as one long session where you're just trying 1576 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,530 to make the best decisions. 1577 01:06:46,530 --> 01:06:49,040 And even if you don't get the best results today, 1578 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,010 hope that you get better results throughout the course 1579 01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:54,280 of your life. 1580 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,380 So yeah, that's the end of what I wanted 1581 01:06:57,380 --> 01:07:00,590 to say about the general poker and what 1582 01:07:00,590 --> 01:07:02,180 I hope you take away from this class 1583 01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:06,860 from a non-mathematical, non-poker point of view. 1584 01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:09,410 I guess there is a bit of time for questions. 1585 01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:11,600 There's a lot of things I didn't talk about, 1586 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:16,050 but I'm happy to answer questions about. 1587 01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:20,070 Yeah, I'm happy to answer any questions, now. 1588 01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:22,082 Yeah? 1589 01:07:22,082 --> 01:07:25,730 AUDIENCE: Now that there are no longer any class tournaments, 1590 01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:28,710 where can I go to play to get better and improve? 1591 01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:34,640 WILL MA: So there's an MIT poker club, 1592 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,000 and they run tournaments on PokerStars 1593 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,550 similar to the way the class works. 1594 01:07:40,550 --> 01:07:42,920 The way you can get into the poker club 1595 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,250 is so [INAUDIBLE] is part of it. 1596 01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:48,200 She's like one of the execs. 1597 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,550 Maybe you should ask her. 1598 01:07:49,550 --> 01:07:50,300 Send her an email. 1599 01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:51,487 I can ask her. 1600 01:07:51,487 --> 01:07:53,570 I'll ask her, and I'll send something to the class 1601 01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:55,570 if you guys are interested in continuing playing 1602 01:07:55,570 --> 01:07:57,820 poker on PokerStars and-- 1603 01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:01,310 yeah, so there's the MIT Poker Club. 1604 01:08:01,310 --> 01:08:03,590 And I know in the past, sometimes 1605 01:08:03,590 --> 01:08:06,860 the classes continued playing tournaments 1606 01:08:06,860 --> 01:08:08,362 after the class is over. 1607 01:08:08,362 --> 01:08:10,820 We would have like a tournament every Saturday or something 1608 01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:13,150 for people to play, but I don't know if-- 1609 01:08:13,150 --> 01:08:14,278 they didn't last very long. 1610 01:08:14,278 --> 01:08:16,069 I think people quickly lost interest in it. 1611 01:08:16,069 --> 01:08:18,020 But yeah, I think just the poker club. 1612 01:08:18,020 --> 01:08:21,350 Actually, Martin, you're in the Poker Club, right? 1613 01:08:21,350 --> 01:08:23,789 So maybe you can something to answer that question. 1614 01:08:23,789 --> 01:08:26,957 AUDIENCE: So sometimes we have [INAUDIBLE] games where people 1615 01:08:26,957 --> 01:08:29,840 can play like $0.25, $0.50 [INAUDIBLE].. 1616 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,880 So there's like a million you can get on. 1617 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,580 WILL MA: OK, I'll find some information 1618 01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:37,930 from [INAUDIBLE] and Martin. 1619 01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:39,100 I'll send something to the class, 1620 01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:40,641 and I'll give you guys some pointers. 1621 01:08:43,404 --> 01:08:44,779 AUDIENCE: How do you, personally, 1622 01:08:44,779 --> 01:08:46,583 deal with downswing? 1623 01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:51,950 WILL MA: Yeah, so definitely, I've 1624 01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:54,340 gone through bad downswings and times 1625 01:08:54,340 --> 01:08:56,620 where I really hated the game. 1626 01:08:56,620 --> 01:08:58,390 I think I mostly just took a break. 1627 01:08:58,390 --> 01:09:01,060 So yeah, I mostly just took a break. 1628 01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:08,894 My first couple of downswings when I was first starting, 1629 01:09:08,894 --> 01:09:10,810 I just took a break from the game for a while, 1630 01:09:10,810 --> 01:09:13,720 like a month or something, and then came back. 1631 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:14,859 That's sort of what I did. 1632 01:09:14,859 --> 01:09:19,454 Nowadays, I'd say like the last four years, I've been-- 1633 01:09:19,454 --> 01:09:21,370 I'd like to think I was fairly good at dealing 1634 01:09:21,370 --> 01:09:22,300 with downswings. 1635 01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,580 I sort of went through enough downswings 1636 01:09:24,580 --> 01:09:27,689 where I kind of was able to just keep it together through it 1637 01:09:27,689 --> 01:09:28,439 for the most part. 1638 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,290 Like maybe I'd play slightly less, 1639 01:09:30,290 --> 01:09:32,158 but I wouldn't quit altogether. 1640 01:09:36,062 --> 01:09:39,405 AUDIENCE: So for small cash games online, what kind of edge 1641 01:09:39,405 --> 01:09:40,864 do you think you have? 1642 01:09:40,864 --> 01:09:41,700 WILL MA: For small? 1643 01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:43,283 AUDIENCE: And then what kind of edge-- 1644 01:09:43,283 --> 01:09:46,050 what is your like, borderline edge where it suddenly wouldn't 1645 01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:47,472 become worth it anymore? 1646 01:09:47,472 --> 01:09:52,390 WILL MA: Oh, so how much edge do I think I have? 1647 01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:55,751 So in online cash games-- 1648 01:09:55,751 --> 01:09:58,000 the thing is, I don't really specialize in cash games, 1649 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,320 so I never really play them. 1650 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,230 So I'd say it's probably very little. 1651 01:10:02,230 --> 01:10:04,420 I mean, I'm sure I can find low enough stakes where 1652 01:10:04,420 --> 01:10:05,770 I'll have a significant edge-- 1653 01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:07,394 AUDIENCE: Or even in tournaments, then? 1654 01:10:07,394 --> 01:10:08,990 Online small stakes tournaments? 1655 01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:14,290 WILL MA: Yeah, yeah, so in tournaments, I'd 1656 01:10:14,290 --> 01:10:19,960 say there's still a decent edge, and I'll play it for-- 1657 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,855 but mostly, I'd I'll play poker, mostly, for fun nowadays. 1658 01:10:25,810 --> 01:10:30,850 I rarely force myself to do it for making money, I'd say. 1659 01:10:30,850 --> 01:10:32,380 Most of the time I'm playing, I'm 1660 01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:33,838 still trying to make good decisions 1661 01:10:33,838 --> 01:10:35,950 because I enjoy doing that, but I'm not really 1662 01:10:35,950 --> 01:10:40,126 doing it for the power degree or whatever. 1663 01:10:40,126 --> 01:10:42,815 AUDIENCE: So what about maybe the best cash-game player 1664 01:10:42,815 --> 01:10:45,863 in the world, how much would they make in about $0.25/$0.50 1665 01:10:45,863 --> 01:10:46,362 online? 1666 01:10:46,362 --> 01:10:50,620 WILL MA: Oh, $0.25/$0.50 online? 1667 01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:53,230 So I don't have a great sense of this, but let me think. 1668 01:10:55,910 --> 01:11:00,190 So the thing is, the players who are sort of considered the top 1669 01:11:00,190 --> 01:11:03,400 players in the world who play like very high stakes-- 1670 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,820 like nosebleeds stakes with like $100/$200 big blinds 1671 01:11:06,820 --> 01:11:07,950 or something-- 1672 01:11:07,950 --> 01:11:10,090 it's sort of, the variance is so high 1673 01:11:10,090 --> 01:11:12,290 that it's not really accepted who's 1674 01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:14,590 the best because if it was accepted, you know, 1675 01:11:14,590 --> 01:11:18,650 someone had a win rate over someone else, 1676 01:11:18,650 --> 01:11:21,250 then the guy who was worse just wouldn't be playing. 1677 01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:22,840 So the only reason those games run 1678 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,880 is because they all think they have a win rate. 1679 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,250 So it's hard for me to say the number 1680 01:11:27,250 --> 01:11:28,870 because I'm not going to know better 1681 01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:31,312 than what they're true win rates are against each other. 1682 01:11:31,312 --> 01:11:33,520 And they're all going to tell me something different, 1683 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,430 because they all think they're beating the other guys. 1684 01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:38,460 As far as how much a really top player 1685 01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:42,457 can win at a low-stakes game, it's still 1686 01:11:42,457 --> 01:11:43,720 going to be very significant. 1687 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:50,830 I think making something maybe like, five or six big blinds 1688 01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:53,344 per 100. 1689 01:11:53,344 --> 01:11:55,260 Yeah, five or six big blinds per 100, I think, 1690 01:11:55,260 --> 01:11:57,550 is maybe doable at a reasonably low stakes-- 1691 01:11:57,550 --> 01:11:59,230 if you're like one of the very best. 1692 01:12:02,740 --> 01:12:03,570 It's quite a lot. 1693 01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:04,510 It's quite generous. 1694 01:12:04,510 --> 01:12:08,180 But let's say every 100 hands you make five big blinds. 1695 01:12:08,180 --> 01:12:14,650 So let's say you play $0.25/$0.50, 1696 01:12:14,650 --> 01:12:15,730 five big blinds is $250. 1697 01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:17,610 You make that every 100 hands. 1698 01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:22,660 If you play six tables, you can get in about 100 hands 1699 01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:24,650 per hour, 120 hands per hour. 1700 01:12:24,650 --> 01:12:27,040 So that's 600 hands per hour. 1701 01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,680 So it's six times $250; so it's like $15. 1702 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,580 So it's not a lot, but I mean those guys can play stakes way 1703 01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:38,950 higher than $0.25/$0.50 and still have a slightly smaller 1704 01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:40,040 edge. 1705 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:46,480 So if you imagine they play 250/$5. 1706 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,739 Then suddenly, you multiply, then that'll give me about $10. 1707 01:12:49,739 --> 01:12:52,030 I mean you would be decreasing it because they probably 1708 01:12:52,030 --> 01:12:53,990 wouldn't make five big blinds per hour-- 1709 01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:57,482 five big blinds per 100. 1710 01:12:57,482 --> 01:12:59,690 But I think those numbers are ballpark correct, yeah. 1711 01:13:04,650 --> 01:13:05,642 All right, yeah? 1712 01:13:05,642 --> 01:13:08,122 AUDIENCE: What's a good for playing at a casino, 1713 01:13:08,122 --> 01:13:09,479 like exploiting people? 1714 01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,770 WILL MA: What's a good strategy for playing at a casino 1715 01:13:11,770 --> 01:13:12,686 and exploiting people? 1716 01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:22,560 One general thing that's going to do is, you go there-- 1717 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:27,250 you sleep at night, and you go there at like 7:00 AM and play 1718 01:13:27,250 --> 01:13:30,003 against people who have been tilted and angry for-- 1719 01:13:30,003 --> 01:13:30,950 [LAUGHTER] 1720 01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:33,360 And you just woke up at 7 AM in the morning. 1721 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,730 And you're in such a good mood, and they're all in a bad mood, 1722 01:13:36,730 --> 01:13:39,310 and you can win a lot of money. 1723 01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:42,700 In terms of specific strategy, I think 1724 01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:44,650 it depends a lot on the player. 1725 01:13:44,650 --> 01:13:48,130 I think, in general, playing tight is pretty good. 1726 01:13:48,130 --> 01:13:49,660 At least I'd say I consider myself, 1727 01:13:49,660 --> 01:13:51,340 in general, a tight player, and I 1728 01:13:51,340 --> 01:13:54,160 think a decent amount of money can 1729 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,470 be made at casinos against recreational players 1730 01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:58,990 just by them getting bored. 1731 01:13:58,990 --> 01:14:01,950 Like at a nine-headed table, you're only paying the blinds-- 1732 01:14:01,950 --> 01:14:04,570 1 and 1/2 blinds every nine hands. 1733 01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:06,220 You can easily get away with only 1734 01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:09,380 playing like pocket nines plus, ace-queen plus. 1735 01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:13,104 I mean, that's extreme, but they'll probably still call you 1736 01:14:13,104 --> 01:14:14,020 because they're bored. 1737 01:14:14,020 --> 01:14:16,080 They're not going to think like, this guy's-- 1738 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,390 I'm going to just fold-- 1739 01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:19,120 so one disadvantage of that strategy 1740 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,680 is, they're just always going to fold to you. 1741 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,805 But in practice, I don't think that's what happens. 1742 01:14:22,805 --> 01:14:26,650 So I think, in general, playing tight 1743 01:14:26,650 --> 01:14:29,660 will always be a pretty good strategy at casinos 1744 01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:33,525 against recreational players. 1745 01:14:33,525 --> 01:14:35,004 AUDIENCE: Yeah? 1746 01:14:35,004 --> 01:14:39,400 Do you have any advice for avoiding 1747 01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:46,160 this pitfall of thinking you're good and you're not actually? 1748 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,790 WILL MA: Not really, because I think it's happened to me 1749 01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:50,140 a lot of times. 1750 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:59,055 Yeah, I think it really is hard to judge, especially 1751 01:14:59,055 --> 01:14:59,680 in tournaments. 1752 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,450 In cash games, it's slightly easier 1753 01:15:01,450 --> 01:15:04,630 to judge because you can just look at your data points, 1754 01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:06,580 and it'll converge faster. 1755 01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:09,220 In tournaments, the variance is so high you can't really 1756 01:15:09,220 --> 01:15:10,654 use your tournament results. 1757 01:15:10,654 --> 01:15:12,820 I think the most important thing, for me personally, 1758 01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:17,050 was just talking to players and having very honest friends who 1759 01:15:17,050 --> 01:15:20,110 would tell me if they thought I was worse than someone else 1760 01:15:20,110 --> 01:15:21,570 and tell them not to play them. 1761 01:15:21,570 --> 01:15:23,320 And I think that's probably the thing that 1762 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,410 benefited me the most-- just being able to talk to players 1763 01:15:26,410 --> 01:15:29,320 better than me or at a similar level to me 1764 01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,070 and just getting their opinion from them talking to me. 1765 01:15:33,070 --> 01:15:36,170 If they think I'm not good enough, I want them to tell me. 1766 01:15:36,170 --> 01:15:39,940 And I think that's one of the most important things is just 1767 01:15:39,940 --> 01:15:44,714 getting good feedback from your friends and honest feedback. 1768 01:15:44,714 --> 01:15:45,540 Yeah? 1769 01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:48,760 AUDIENCE: Since we can't play online here, 1770 01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,937 and we can't do it at the casino like every weekend-- 1771 01:15:51,937 --> 01:15:54,270 so we can't play for money-- what's some good motivation 1772 01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:57,817 to keep the Saturday game? 1773 01:15:57,817 --> 01:15:59,650 Is this like poker mentality, and these kids 1774 01:15:59,650 --> 01:16:02,100 will have development in whatever they 1775 01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:04,330 like [INAUDIBLE] jobs? 1776 01:16:04,330 --> 01:16:06,080 WILL MA: OK, so I'll address a few things. 1777 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,150 So one thing that I didn't really formally announce-- 1778 01:16:08,150 --> 01:16:09,733 but yeah, so one thing you pointed out 1779 01:16:09,733 --> 01:16:11,800 is, playing online poker for money 1780 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,750 is illegal in Massachusetts. 1781 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,210 The police can't come arrest you, 1782 01:16:22,210 --> 01:16:25,135 but the website will take all your money 1783 01:16:25,135 --> 01:16:27,260 if they find out you're playing from Massachusetts. 1784 01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:30,030 But I don't believe it's written in Massachusetts 1785 01:16:30,030 --> 01:16:31,650 law or something. 1786 01:16:31,650 --> 01:16:34,050 To my knowledge, the police can't arrest you. 1787 01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:36,880 But yeah, so the question was, if we can't play online, 1788 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,380 what can we do? 1789 01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:41,600 So I think it is legal in New Jersey and Nevada. 1790 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,640 So you can move to New Jersey or Nevada. 1791 01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:48,770 OK, yeah, so if you don't want to go to the casino 1792 01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:51,506 every weekend, so what else can you do? 1793 01:16:51,506 --> 01:16:53,380 OK, so what's the motivation to keep playing? 1794 01:16:53,380 --> 01:16:55,480 So I think I've tried in this class 1795 01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:58,510 to give examples of where I think 1796 01:16:58,510 --> 01:17:05,410 poker is very useful, just in terms of how poker is related 1797 01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:09,190 to nonpoker stuff, like calibrating your confidence, 1798 01:17:09,190 --> 01:17:11,680 figuring out what your biases are, and stuff like that. 1799 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,170 And I also think it's a fun game. 1800 01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:15,120 It's a very fun game. 1801 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,660 It's mathematically interesting. 1802 01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:20,100 But yeah, I mean, if you don't enjoy playing the game much, 1803 01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:23,100 and sense you can't really make money playing it 1804 01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,536 in Massachusetts, yeah, then, if both of those are true, 1805 01:17:25,536 --> 01:17:26,910 then there's not that much reason 1806 01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:28,600 to play it if you don't enjoy it. 1807 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,183 I think that's just the biggest thing. 1808 01:17:30,183 --> 01:17:32,720 If you enjoy it and you enjoy the decision-making, 1809 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,843 I think it's very fun, and it's also very good for you. 1810 01:17:35,843 --> 01:17:37,322 AUDIENCE: Thank you. 1811 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,367 WILL MA: All right, cool. 1812 01:17:43,367 --> 01:17:44,950 Yeah, so if there's no more questions, 1813 01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:50,230 then I guess we'll call it here, and then Friday 1814 01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:51,650 will be the last class. 1815 01:17:51,650 --> 01:17:53,483 There's two more nights of tournaments left. 1816 01:17:53,483 --> 01:17:55,960 And yeah, I'm excited for Friday for Bill's lecture 1817 01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,310 and to hand out the prizes.