1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,920 [MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:09,689 --> 00:00:12,230 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: Hello, I am Jose Puppim de Oliveira. 3 00:00:12,230 --> 00:00:15,550 I am an MIT-UTM business scholar. 4 00:00:15,550 --> 00:00:18,550 This video shares some lessons of my research 5 00:00:18,550 --> 00:00:22,750 on urban innovation using case of waste management in Penang, 6 00:00:22,750 --> 00:00:23,600 Malaysia. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,100 Urban innovation means doing things differently 8 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:28,570 in the urban context. 9 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:32,270 Innovation is important for improving urban services 10 00:00:32,270 --> 00:00:35,180 in a context where many cities around the world 11 00:00:35,180 --> 00:00:38,270 face increasing budgetary constraints. 12 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:40,940 Interaction among different governmental and 13 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:44,690 non-governmental actors are key to innovation. 14 00:00:44,690 --> 00:00:48,270 Interactions can bring new resources and knowledge 15 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:52,600 to solve urban problems more effectively. 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,200 The waste sector in Malaysia particularly 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,030 offers an interesting laboratory for urban innovations. 18 00:00:59,030 --> 00:01:02,740 The country has tried to improve waste management effectiveness 19 00:01:02,740 --> 00:01:06,540 in recent years, making a series of institutional change, 20 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:09,430 such as decentralization of waste management 21 00:01:09,430 --> 00:01:10,780 at the federal level. 22 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:11,140 DR. MOHD PAUZE BIN MOHAMAD TAHA: Previously, 23 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:13,600 the waste management and public [INAUDIBLE] 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,690 is under the purview of each government, 25 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:23,090 and being implemented or being responsible 26 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:25,650 is under the local government. 27 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:30,240 Somehow, they have a difficulty to provide sufficient funds 28 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,180 to manage. 29 00:01:31,180 --> 00:01:35,430 At the same time do not have expertise or manpower 30 00:01:35,430 --> 00:01:38,210 to manage the solid waste as previously. 31 00:01:38,210 --> 00:01:42,410 Almost all the waste is sent to the dumping ground. 32 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:44,850 Local government asking federal government 33 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:47,060 to provide the fund for them. 34 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:48,610 We also want the local government 35 00:01:48,610 --> 00:01:51,460 to focus on other areas of services. 36 00:01:51,460 --> 00:01:54,600 So that's the reason why the federal things is better. 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,960 So the responsibility of managing the waste 38 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,777 is put on the federal responsibility. 39 00:02:00,777 --> 00:02:02,860 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: Peneng Island in Malaysia 40 00:02:02,860 --> 00:02:08,100 decided to keep waste management under local control. 41 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:10,350 GUEST SPEAKER: Actually, the urban services department 42 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:12,510 is in charge of solid waste management, 43 00:02:12,510 --> 00:02:15,740 and also public cleansing is the core business of the council. 44 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:19,050 The most challenging part in Penang Island 45 00:02:19,050 --> 00:02:20,611 is domestic waste. 46 00:02:20,611 --> 00:02:24,600 Penang Island [INAUDIBLE] around 550 tons of waste 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,490 is being disposed. 48 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:29,900 DR. LIM MAH HUI: The city council spends about 40% 49 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:35,020 of its budget just to dispose of waste. 50 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:37,930 GUEST SPEAKER: Our recycling rate at the moment is 27%. 51 00:02:37,930 --> 00:02:41,470 With the active role of the recycling agent, the NGOs 52 00:02:41,470 --> 00:02:48,020 and the environmental group, in 1998, the domestic waste 53 00:02:48,020 --> 00:02:50,420 around 700 tons. 54 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:55,450 Now it's really-- it's around 440 tons per day. 55 00:02:55,450 --> 00:02:57,050 So how we manage to reduce it? 56 00:02:57,050 --> 00:03:03,060 In Penang, we had a very quite active role of the stakeholders 57 00:03:03,060 --> 00:03:05,150 doing recycling. 58 00:03:05,150 --> 00:03:08,340 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: Urban innovations reduce the waste. 59 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:11,000 We are going to see two of those initiatives 60 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,380 to understand how urban innovations emerge 61 00:03:14,380 --> 00:03:16,835 through different kinds of institutional arrangements. 62 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:27,253 BROTHER SIOW EK: This the Recycling and Education Center. 63 00:03:27,253 --> 00:03:30,970 More important is education to spread and actually encouraging 64 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:32,580 more people to do recycling together. 65 00:03:32,580 --> 00:03:36,850 And in Malasya, it's a long time the recycling stopping it's 66 00:03:36,850 --> 00:03:39,700 not part of the life [? whole ?] practices yet. 67 00:03:39,700 --> 00:03:42,320 So we have to set up the proper infrastructure 68 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,640 to teach the residents how recycling should be done, 69 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,140 so that when they go back home, they 70 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:50,140 know how to actually save the item 71 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:51,710 into the different category. 72 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:54,650 So we had about 20 were our volunteers. 73 00:03:54,650 --> 00:03:57,960 In average, per man, we are running 74 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,590 about 10 tons of material. 75 00:03:59,590 --> 00:04:01,990 That cover plastic, papers, metals. 76 00:04:01,990 --> 00:04:04,195 All proceeds from the recycling are all 77 00:04:04,195 --> 00:04:05,820 channelled towards the dialysis center. 78 00:04:08,886 --> 00:04:11,010 LEE MEOW HONG: [INAUDIBLE] Tzu Chi Dialysis Center, 79 00:04:11,010 --> 00:04:14,430 actually, we started in 1997. 80 00:04:14,430 --> 00:04:17,089 From the first day, it's actually free of charge. 81 00:04:17,089 --> 00:04:19,880 Everyone interested to know how we survive for the past 18 82 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:20,540 years. 83 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:24,750 About 70% comes from donation from the public. 84 00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:28,209 Another nearly 30% comes from our recycling. 85 00:04:28,209 --> 00:04:30,000 BROTHER SIOW EK: Recycling Education Center 86 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,930 is something very new. 87 00:04:30,930 --> 00:04:33,667 When they equate recycling center equal to rubbish center. 88 00:04:33,667 --> 00:04:35,250 So when we want to set up this center, 89 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:38,400 the resident community say, no, we cannot allow a rubbish 90 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,229 center set up. 91 00:04:39,229 --> 00:04:41,020 Then we have to explain to them, we are not 92 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:42,060 setting up a rubbish center. 93 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:43,643 We are setting up an education center. 94 00:04:43,643 --> 00:04:44,770 No smell. 95 00:04:44,770 --> 00:04:45,680 Line is clean. 96 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,380 JEFFERY HO: And there is a mosquito-infested area. 97 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:51,840 Tzu Chi was willing to come here to set it up, 98 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:53,219 so we work along with them. 99 00:04:53,219 --> 00:04:54,760 BROTHER SIOW EK: We actually work out 100 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,444 with the MBPP, the council. 101 00:04:57,444 --> 00:04:58,610 They do actually facilitate. 102 00:04:58,610 --> 00:05:02,740 They actually rent to us at a very minimum rental cost. 103 00:05:02,740 --> 00:05:05,050 Also, they are very supportive of our recycling effort. 104 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:07,290 And at the same time, by doing recycling, 105 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:08,830 we also reduce the amount of rubbish 106 00:05:08,830 --> 00:05:09,890 that they had to handle. 107 00:05:09,890 --> 00:05:12,070 The whole country goes for solid waste recycling. 108 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:14,100 So we're actually two years ahead. 109 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:16,149 Go green, save lives. 110 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:17,940 LEE MEOW HONG: From the recycling, besides, 111 00:05:17,940 --> 00:05:20,270 we are doing environmental protection. 112 00:05:20,270 --> 00:05:22,526 We actually can save life. 113 00:05:22,526 --> 00:05:24,900 MAGESWARI SANGARALINGAM: So in terms of waste management, 114 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:28,430 it is not the right way to just think of disposal. 115 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:30,560 We should try to reduce the consumption 116 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,040 so that we will also reduce the production of waste. 117 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,734 We are trying to promote communities to be involved. 118 00:05:36,734 --> 00:05:38,900 From the community, it goes to the local government. 119 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:43,890 At least 45% to 50% is organic waste or food waste. 120 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:47,280 How, in the first place, can you reduce food waste, the kitchen 121 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,655 peelings or the green waste which can go into composting. 122 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:54,980 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: Composting is the second case 123 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:56,470 of urban innovation. 124 00:05:56,470 --> 00:05:58,560 You reach the private sector partners 125 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,892 with this public sector in civil society. 126 00:06:00,892 --> 00:06:02,350 SOH YEW AUN: Most of the problem is 127 00:06:02,350 --> 00:06:04,980 that the people expect the government to handle 128 00:06:04,980 --> 00:06:06,076 the obvious. 129 00:06:06,076 --> 00:06:07,200 Waste is not their problem. 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,090 It's government's problem. 131 00:06:09,090 --> 00:06:12,430 How people look at food waste, because to them, it is a waste. 132 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:14,860 But to the world, it is actually a resource. 133 00:06:14,860 --> 00:06:18,330 Most recycling companies don't survive for long, 134 00:06:18,330 --> 00:06:21,780 because the cost is too high to do recycling. 135 00:06:21,780 --> 00:06:25,299 And the economic return sort of value is too low. 136 00:06:25,299 --> 00:06:27,590 The only way for them to make money is, of course, then 137 00:06:27,590 --> 00:06:31,380 to look at government subsidies, looking at government credit 138 00:06:31,380 --> 00:06:32,190 mechanisms. 139 00:06:32,190 --> 00:06:34,020 We have come up with something that we know 140 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:36,380 that is economically feasible. 141 00:06:50,296 --> 00:06:51,380 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] 142 00:07:02,727 --> 00:07:05,185 CHIN KEE WONG: Methodist Boys' School, a few years back, we 143 00:07:05,185 --> 00:07:07,585 were approached by one of our old boys, 144 00:07:07,585 --> 00:07:10,670 who also happened to be a councilor in the city 145 00:07:10,670 --> 00:07:11,440 council in Penang. 146 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,940 So he came up with the idea of turning the school green. 147 00:07:14,940 --> 00:07:17,760 All canteen waste, especially food waste, 148 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,600 churned up in the machine and converted 149 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,760 into enzymes, which later we converted into fertilizer. 150 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,870 And that fertilizer, we brought to our eco-green farm. 151 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:30,680 NG CHUN WEI: We have a daily schedule for Monday 152 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,260 to Friday for all these food [INAUDIBLE] 153 00:07:33,260 --> 00:07:35,420 to collect the food waste from the canteen just 154 00:07:35,420 --> 00:07:36,360 to be processed here. 155 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,710 WONG CHIEW LEE: We have the fruit section. 156 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:42,230 We also have the herbal section, kitchen remedies. 157 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:44,080 Over the other side, you will find 158 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,045 that we have this rainwater harvesting system. 159 00:07:47,045 --> 00:07:50,890 So this is some collaboration with USM, [NON-ENGLISH]. 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,201 SOH YEW AUN: In Penang Hills, we deal with the end product 161 00:08:00,201 --> 00:08:00,700 differently. 162 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:03,420 We ferment the food waste here itself, 163 00:08:03,420 --> 00:08:05,400 without taking back to the factories. 164 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,480 And then we use the fermented food waste to treat sewage. 165 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,560 And the [INAUDIBLE] has got no smell and no oil accumulation, 166 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:13,687 no grease accumulation. 167 00:08:13,687 --> 00:08:15,270 If you ask me, I think a lot of things 168 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:17,805 work better on a small scale than on a large scale. 169 00:08:17,805 --> 00:08:18,930 Everybody has to cooperate. 170 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:20,888 You can develop the best machines in the world, 171 00:08:20,888 --> 00:08:22,312 but if the people don't cooperate, 172 00:08:22,312 --> 00:08:24,020 the machine's not going to run by itself. 173 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:25,870 Food waste doesn't get separated by itself. 174 00:08:25,870 --> 00:08:26,690 You need people. 175 00:08:26,690 --> 00:08:28,406 Everybody has to chip in some way. 176 00:08:28,406 --> 00:08:30,530 And this is where we are going on with the schools, 177 00:08:30,530 --> 00:08:33,320 to start teaching the students of the importance of actually 178 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,309 separating your food waste and making sure 179 00:08:35,309 --> 00:08:37,017 that they're going to the correct places. 180 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:42,600 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: Three main lessons from the case. 181 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,020 First, innovation capabilities were 182 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:49,920 created by involving various stakeholders. 183 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,830 Second, broad stakeholder involvement 184 00:08:52,830 --> 00:08:56,590 brought resources, like knowledge and finance 185 00:08:56,590 --> 00:08:58,480 from various sources. 186 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,310 These would not be possible if a stakeholder was working alone. 187 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:05,960 Third, innovations were able to connect waste 188 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,350 with other issues, such as health, sewage 189 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:11,330 treatment, and education. 190 00:09:11,330 --> 00:09:15,230 Innovation can overcome problems of collective action, where 191 00:09:15,230 --> 00:09:16,859 many stakeholders must work together. 192 00:09:16,859 --> 00:09:18,400 MAGESWARI SANGARALINGAM: There should 193 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,270 be awareness amongst the communities 194 00:09:21,270 --> 00:09:24,165 on how to reduce the waste, and also in terms of the industry. 195 00:09:24,165 --> 00:09:27,710 And so there are lot of players in the field of waste 196 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:31,977 management which everyone has to take part in. 197 00:09:31,977 --> 00:09:34,310 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: The state and local authorities 198 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:37,640 have helped to scale up such initiatives by providing 199 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,450 support to coordinate the different efforts 200 00:09:40,450 --> 00:09:43,340 from federal government, civil society, 201 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:45,170 and link them with citizens. 202 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:47,390 MUBARAK BIN JUNUS: We still feel that there 203 00:09:47,390 --> 00:09:49,760 is something to be done more. 204 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,850 We already come up to the policy in line with the federal policy 205 00:09:54,850 --> 00:09:57,680 to come up with the mechanism of collections. 206 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:00,410 We are now going to use the same mechanism as federal, 207 00:10:00,410 --> 00:10:01,430 what they are doing. 208 00:10:01,430 --> 00:10:03,600 We are going to improvise this according 209 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,467 to our own local environment. 210 00:10:05,467 --> 00:10:07,050 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: A combination 211 00:10:07,050 --> 00:10:09,700 of top-down efforts from governments 212 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:13,270 to support initiatives of bottom-up urban innovation 213 00:10:13,270 --> 00:10:16,715 brings the right combination to nurture broad transformation 214 00:10:16,715 --> 00:10:18,467 in urban services delivery. 215 00:10:20,262 --> 00:10:22,470 MAGESWARI SANGARALINGAM: The way you're disposing it, 216 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:25,320 whether you're landfilling or you're incinerating, 217 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,250 or you're just dumping, it's all causing problems 218 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:32,840 for the climate, too, because of the greenhouse gas emissions. 219 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:39,690 ANTHONY CAPON: How can we make a city suitable for our bodies 220 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:41,110 and our health? 221 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:43,940 We have designed and managed cities often 222 00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:46,340 in the interest of motorcars, rather than 223 00:10:46,340 --> 00:10:48,800 in the interests of people. 224 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,630 We need to rethink the city in the interest of people. 225 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:55,130 MUBARAK BIN JUNUS: Even though there 226 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:58,040 is some initiative being done, but still 227 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,986 the mindset still needs to be changed. 228 00:10:59,986 --> 00:11:02,700 DR. YUEH-KWONG LEONG: The current concept of development 229 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:06,125 is the more buildings they have, the more industries they have, 230 00:11:06,125 --> 00:11:09,690 the more developed you are, the better you will become. 231 00:11:09,690 --> 00:11:14,270 But they have not factored in, actually, 232 00:11:14,270 --> 00:11:19,067 the cost in terms of pollution, in terms of traffic congestion. 233 00:11:19,067 --> 00:11:21,150 JOSE PUPPIM DE OLIVEIRA: Creating the capabilities 234 00:11:21,150 --> 00:11:23,345 to innovate in governments and civil society 235 00:11:23,345 --> 00:11:27,170 is crucial to combating global problems such as climate 236 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:31,890 change, which requires a higher degree of collective action 237 00:11:31,890 --> 00:11:34,940 to design and manage the cities of the future. 238 00:11:34,940 --> 00:11:37,650 This will require innovation in our thinking 239 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:40,790 about how we carry out urban development. 240 00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:44,440 [MUSIC PLAYING]