1 00:00:00,090 --> 00:00:02,490 The following content is provided under a Creative 2 00:00:02,490 --> 00:00:04,030 Commons license. 3 00:00:04,030 --> 00:00:06,330 Your support will help MIT OpenCourseWare 4 00:00:06,330 --> 00:00:10,720 continue to offer high-quality educational resources for free. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,320 To make a donation or view additional materials 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,280 from hundreds of MIT courses, visit MIT OpenCourseWare 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,580 at ocw.mit.edu. 8 00:00:20,580 --> 00:00:22,860 MARK HARTMAN: Cluster, from the image, 9 00:00:22,860 --> 00:00:25,590 using the distance to the center of the cluster, which 10 00:00:25,590 --> 00:00:28,110 was kind of the average of all the redshifts of all 11 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:31,800 the other ones that make up the cluster, we got 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,970 a linear diameter of 8 times 10 to the 21st meters, which 13 00:00:35,970 --> 00:00:39,630 we saw was about 8 to 10 times the size of one galaxy. 14 00:00:39,630 --> 00:00:41,760 That makes sense because there's at least 10 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,480 to 100 galaxies packed in there. 16 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:47,970 When we look at the closest galaxy 17 00:00:47,970 --> 00:00:52,380 to us using the same prediction from Hubble's law, 18 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:55,680 and we look at the farthest galaxy from us 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,480 still in the cluster-- 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,570 and some of you were noticing that some of the galaxies 21 00:01:00,570 --> 00:01:04,530 are named Abell 2029, number 55. 22 00:01:04,530 --> 00:01:07,230 Those are actual members of the cluster. 23 00:01:07,230 --> 00:01:09,779 Some of the other ones may or may not have been. 24 00:01:09,779 --> 00:01:11,820 But then we took the difference between these two 25 00:01:11,820 --> 00:01:13,109 to get the linear depth. 26 00:01:13,109 --> 00:01:15,150 And these are the numbers that we were coming up. 27 00:01:15,150 --> 00:01:17,310 We were saying that from the front of the cluster 28 00:01:17,310 --> 00:01:21,390 to the back of the cluster is 10 to the 24th meters-- 29 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:23,820 9 times 10 to the 24th, 2 times 10 to the 24th, 30 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:26,730 2 times 10 to the 24th. 31 00:01:26,730 --> 00:01:30,630 How many times longer or deeper are we 32 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:33,450 saying this cluster is compared to how wide it is? 33 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:44,790 What is the ratio between, say, this number and this number? 34 00:01:44,790 --> 00:01:47,940 AUDIENCE: Isn't it almost 1,000 times, about? 35 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:51,810 MARK HARTMAN: We are saying that this galaxy cluster is 1,000 36 00:01:51,810 --> 00:01:55,680 times deeper than it is wide. 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,962 That would be like taking a galaxy cluster, 38 00:01:57,962 --> 00:01:59,670 stretching it across the room, and having 39 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:02,520 it be about that wide. 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,465 Does that make sense? 41 00:02:04,465 --> 00:02:05,890 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 42 00:02:05,890 --> 00:02:06,780 MARK HARTMAN: Did you actually draw it over there? 43 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:07,500 AUDIENCE: Yeah. 44 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:09,396 MARK HARTMAN: All right, so project it. 45 00:02:09,396 --> 00:02:10,979 AUDIENCE: It doesn't fit on one board. 46 00:02:10,979 --> 00:02:13,106 MARK HARTMAN: It doesn't fit on one board. 47 00:02:13,106 --> 00:02:14,744 AUDIENCE: 300 times. 48 00:02:14,744 --> 00:02:16,660 MARK HARTMAN: So that's only 300 times longer. 49 00:02:16,660 --> 00:02:19,740 So yeah, if we stretch it across this whole room 50 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:26,610 and it was only that wide, what is going on here? 51 00:02:26,610 --> 00:02:30,210 We made a prediction that, yeah, maybe, 52 00:02:30,210 --> 00:02:31,740 but how common would that be? 53 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:33,540 If you have just a clump of galaxies 54 00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:36,120 that formed from some cloud, you might 55 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,650 expect it to be maybe twice as long, or maybe even 10 56 00:02:40,650 --> 00:02:43,470 times longer and it would be like a cigar, 57 00:02:43,470 --> 00:02:45,960 but not 1,000 times longer. 58 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,260 This is a prediction that doesn't make sense. 59 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,650 How did we get this prediction again? 60 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:56,990 Let's try to figure out whats going on. 61 00:02:56,990 --> 00:03:00,720 How did we get the distances to the front and to the back? 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,500 How did you learn this? 63 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:04,940 That question's going to come back and bite you in the ass 64 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:05,630 so many times. 65 00:03:08,145 --> 00:03:09,322 AUDIENCE: Hubble's law? 66 00:03:09,322 --> 00:03:11,030 MARK HARTMAN: How did we get the distance 67 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:12,113 to the front and the back? 68 00:03:12,113 --> 00:03:13,310 AUDIENCE: Hubble's law. 69 00:03:13,310 --> 00:03:14,900 MARK HARTMAN: Hubble's law. 70 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:18,588 So what did we actually measure using Hubble's law? 71 00:03:18,588 --> 00:03:19,774 AUDIENCE: Distance. 72 00:03:19,774 --> 00:03:21,440 MARK HARTMAN: We predicted the distance. 73 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,280 What did we measure? 74 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,090 AUDIENCE: Velocity. 75 00:03:23,090 --> 00:03:25,910 MARK HARTMAN: The velocity. 76 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:29,134 So we're taking the velocities of these guys 77 00:03:29,134 --> 00:03:31,550 and turning them into a distance and taking the difference 78 00:03:31,550 --> 00:03:34,550 of those distance. 79 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:36,419 So we said that this one is moving away 80 00:03:36,419 --> 00:03:38,460 from us because of the expansion of the universe. 81 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:40,190 This one's moving away even further 82 00:03:40,190 --> 00:03:43,780 from the expansion of the universe. 83 00:03:43,780 --> 00:03:44,643 Jaylen? 84 00:03:44,643 --> 00:03:49,080 AUDIENCE: How do you measure the size of it 85 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,040 by the velocity of when it moves? 86 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,110 MARK HARTMAN: That's Hubble's law. 87 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:56,990 We said that if things are further away, 88 00:03:56,990 --> 00:03:59,420 we can look at their velocity if they're 89 00:03:59,420 --> 00:04:05,630 expanding with the universe's expansion 90 00:04:05,630 --> 00:04:09,230 because we're using velocity to get to distance. 91 00:04:09,230 --> 00:04:13,370 Why else might these galaxies be moving? 92 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:15,821 Because we took motion, and we turned it into distance. 93 00:04:15,821 --> 00:04:16,320 David? 94 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,350 AUDIENCE: Motion within the cluster. 95 00:04:18,350 --> 00:04:21,529 MARK HARTMAN: Maybe they're just orbiting, just like the Earth 96 00:04:21,529 --> 00:04:24,020 does around the Sun. 97 00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:27,710 Some of these galaxies are going to be moving towards us just 98 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:29,000 a little bit. 99 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,180 The whole cluster, yeah, is moving away. 100 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:35,780 But if I'm moving away, and I have something 101 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:37,730 that's orbiting around me-- 102 00:04:37,730 --> 00:04:41,900 in this case, I'm orbiting this way. 103 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:46,160 Right here, my galaxy is moving forward. 104 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,850 Here, my galaxy is moving backwards. 105 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:51,830 When it's moving backwards, if Bianca 106 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:53,420 watches it move backwards, it looks 107 00:04:53,420 --> 00:04:57,050 like it's moving backwards faster than I'm moving. 108 00:04:57,050 --> 00:05:03,746 And if she watches this marker move towards her, 109 00:05:03,746 --> 00:05:05,870 it kind of looks like it stayed there for a minute. 110 00:05:09,928 --> 00:05:12,185 [LAUGHTER] 111 00:05:12,685 --> 00:05:16,360 So the motion of these galaxies might not 112 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,210 be due to the expansion of the universe 113 00:05:19,210 --> 00:05:22,505 just like the motion the Earth is indifferent because we're 114 00:05:22,505 --> 00:05:23,380 going around the Sun. 115 00:05:23,380 --> 00:05:26,870 It's not like the Earth and the Sun are getting larger. 116 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:31,270 So we get confounded, which means we get confused. 117 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:34,390 How much of that recessional velocity 118 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:37,147 is due to the fact that the universe is expanding? 119 00:05:37,147 --> 00:05:39,730 How much of that is just due to the fact that the galaxies are 120 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:40,690 moving around? 121 00:05:40,690 --> 00:05:42,630 There might be a galaxy that's doing this, 122 00:05:42,630 --> 00:05:44,560 maybe a galaxy that's doing that. 123 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,315 Some galaxies have weird orbits. 124 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,630 So how would you summarize why we might not 125 00:05:54,630 --> 00:05:56,490 be able to get an estimate for the distance 126 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:59,232 from the front and the back? 127 00:05:59,232 --> 00:05:59,940 Go ahead, Bianca. 128 00:05:59,940 --> 00:06:01,523 AUDIENCE: Because Hubble's law doesn't 129 00:06:01,523 --> 00:06:04,500 apply to this model of the [INAUDIBLE].. 130 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:07,619 MARK HARTMAN: Does Hubble's law not apply at all? 131 00:06:07,619 --> 00:06:09,984 AUDIENCE: The theory of expanding 132 00:06:09,984 --> 00:06:12,350 universe doesn't apply. 133 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:14,870 MARK HARTMAN: When you have objects that are orbiting, 134 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:16,610 that are graivationally bound-- 135 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:19,280 I know a lot of you have been using that phrase when 136 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,110 you're talking about stuff-- 137 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:24,500 Hubble's law doesn't hold for stuff that's 138 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:26,030 gravitationally bound together. 139 00:06:26,030 --> 00:06:28,760 That object might be moving away because of the expansion 140 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,820 of the universe. 141 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:32,090 But if there are things orbiting around, 142 00:06:32,090 --> 00:06:35,900 it's not that that's expanding too. 143 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:39,140 So in this case, what we can do, though, 144 00:06:39,140 --> 00:06:41,960 and what the galaxy clusters group might do, 145 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,470 if you look at how those objects are orbiting, 146 00:06:45,470 --> 00:06:47,870 you can actually get an estimate for what is 147 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:51,536 the mass of that whole cluster. 148 00:06:51,536 --> 00:06:52,910 And remember, we looked at what's 149 00:06:52,910 --> 00:06:54,890 the X-ray luminosity compared to what's 150 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:57,140 the visible light luminosity. 151 00:06:57,140 --> 00:06:59,000 We can also get an estimate for what's 152 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,100 the visible light mass-- what mass in galaxies 153 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:05,720 is giving off that light, what mass in X-ray gas 154 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,430 is giving off that light. 155 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:10,380 And then by watching the objects move, 156 00:07:10,380 --> 00:07:14,210 we can get an estimate of how much mass is there. 157 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:16,700 And remember, we said that all matter, whether it's 158 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:20,180 regular matter, or dark matter, or anything, 159 00:07:20,180 --> 00:07:23,270 causes gravitational attraction. 160 00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:24,980 And by watching how things move, you 161 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:28,160 can actually get an estimate of how much dark matter 162 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,420 and regular matter there is inside that galaxy cluster. 163 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:36,890 So even though this motion of these galaxies 164 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:39,980 didn't help us to figure this out, 165 00:07:39,980 --> 00:07:43,610 it gave us a clue that the motion then might not 166 00:07:43,610 --> 00:07:45,110 be due to Hubble expansion. 167 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:47,570 But instead, it's due to that orbiting. 168 00:07:47,570 --> 00:07:51,536 And that orbiting can also tell us something useful. 169 00:07:51,536 --> 00:07:52,910 So in this case, how could we get 170 00:07:52,910 --> 00:07:54,260 an estimate of how deep it is? 171 00:07:59,790 --> 00:08:02,160 You can't. 172 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,650 You can assume that it's about the same depth 173 00:08:04,650 --> 00:08:09,230 as it is a width if you assume that it's spherical. 174 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:11,180 Now, you can look at the distribution of light 175 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:12,950 and try to figure out something about, well, 176 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:14,780 if it was a football shape, then it should be really, really 177 00:08:14,780 --> 00:08:17,420 bright in the middle because there's all kinds of stars 178 00:08:17,420 --> 00:08:19,920 and galaxies and hot gas there. 179 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,430 But essentially, what I wanted you guys to see 180 00:08:22,430 --> 00:08:26,660 was by making a prediction from a model that didn't apply 181 00:08:26,660 --> 00:08:29,900 to this situation, we got a prediction 182 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:33,391 that doesn't make any sense, which means that you always 183 00:08:33,391 --> 00:08:34,640 have to double-check yourself. 184 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,700 Always compare it to something else that you have measured 185 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:39,710 or something that you know to make sure, 186 00:08:39,710 --> 00:08:42,799 does this number actually make sense. 187 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:44,349 OK.